“More oil seeps into the gulf naturally than a hundred oil spills.”-Assuming you’re correct (I’d need some sort of citation before believing you), what’s your point?
@ima, @narrowminded, it constantly amazes me how you are willing to defend ADMITTED liars and crooks. Between 2007-2010 BP had 97 percent of all flagrant violations found in the refining industry by government safety inspectors.http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/06/bp-violations-and-spills/Because natural leakages exist, this does not justify preventable oil spills. Furthermore, contrary to what you seem to believe, there is clear and evident damage from oil spills. Alaskan sea life by the shore has NEVER come back to what it was before the Valdez spilled. And I have family in the Florida Panhandle. It has some of the most beautiful sand in the world — white “flour sand.” But if you dig down anywhere now, you will find a layer of oil. This is not a natural leakage, this is a direct product of the BP spill.Quit defending criminals. Oh, and @narrowminded, your “socialist vs. capitalist” comparison is simply irrelevant if not badly mistaken. The oil industry received major exemptions from taxes from OUR government — meaning corporate welfare or socialism — and safety devices required by other nations were nixed by VP Dick Cheney. The safest oil company in the world is, in fact, half government-owned by the Scandinavians (eek! successful socialism!), and they require safety devices because they are representing ALL the people.
If you look at google earth at the shorelines of oil producing nations where there is little or no regulation you’ll see oil sheens on the surface of the waters extending far beyond ‘territorial waters’. It is sad to see the number of people willing to defend practices that reduce the number of fish that are safe to eat; the quality of sanctuaries where birds and fingerlings breed and grow; and shorelines where human live, play, and go for vacation. ^It is even more perplexing to hear people claim that over regulation is a bigger threat to our nation and the future of our environment in the face of the practices of these corporations who place short term profits over long term job security and safety. ^My compliments to the many good messages preceding this and would only suggest the lesson I have recently learned to the many good thinkers here.^Don’t reply to lies, insults, or attacks on the messenger. It’s the message that is important. Mr. Pett’s message is very good and brings to mind what Richard Pryor said, “Are you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?”Respectfully,C.
My questions were directed at you, because they’re the ones you haven’t bothered to ask yourself. Critical thinking is a resource available to you if you’re able and willing to use it.
There’s enough mind there to put out spurious facts, that’s enough to mislead people who might follow blindly. I don’t pretend that Ima is going to be rational, or a good citizen, but I have to take a stab at bringing false notions to people’s attention, however infrequently I do it. To stand by silently is to surrender the facts, the debate and ‘the internet’.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am neither liberal nor conservative. What I am is an ex aerospace worker technocrat. If it is a conservative viewpoint that supports science and such as NASA, then I am conservative on that particular issue. If such support would be a liberal issue, then I am a liberal. Most reasonable people support some liberal ideas, and some of the same people support some conservative ideas. What I really do not like is those that are always totally either one way or the other. Is that too difficult to understand?
Ooo, I put you on the defensive! Amazing. First of all, BP’s spill was ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE. Second of all, the odds against accidents work a lot better when you follow the safety rules. BP didn’t, and WE paid for it. I’d think you’d appreciate that instead of defending a criminal.And the Deepwater Horizon is considered the largest accidental oil spill in history. Or are you talking about the 1979 spill, to which there was considerable reaction?
^Important to note that in 2007, the Bush Administration greatly REDUCED that regulatory “burden” for safety on the oil industry in the Gulf. It was those regulation changes BP took advantage of, and a step beyond, that led to the disaster. It wasn’t an “accident”, it was calculated “risk” that hundreds of other sites are also taking, still.
Yes, there are “natural seeps” around the world’s oceans, which cumulatively amount to a few hours of a drilled hole into high pressure “vaults” release when things go “oops!”. When Shell gets permits to explore in the Arctic, and two of two rigs are damaged and removed from the area because of “accidents”, how “safe” is their current technology, and regulatory controls? Answer: not at all.
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago
The BP Grill has a special on uncooked blackened shrimp.
CasualBrowser about 11 years ago
“More oil seeps into the gulf naturally than a hundred oil spills.”-Assuming you’re correct (I’d need some sort of citation before believing you), what’s your point?
Motivemagus about 11 years ago
@ima, @narrowminded, it constantly amazes me how you are willing to defend ADMITTED liars and crooks. Between 2007-2010 BP had 97 percent of all flagrant violations found in the refining industry by government safety inspectors.http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/06/bp-violations-and-spills/Because natural leakages exist, this does not justify preventable oil spills. Furthermore, contrary to what you seem to believe, there is clear and evident damage from oil spills. Alaskan sea life by the shore has NEVER come back to what it was before the Valdez spilled. And I have family in the Florida Panhandle. It has some of the most beautiful sand in the world — white “flour sand.” But if you dig down anywhere now, you will find a layer of oil. This is not a natural leakage, this is a direct product of the BP spill.Quit defending criminals. Oh, and @narrowminded, your “socialist vs. capitalist” comparison is simply irrelevant if not badly mistaken. The oil industry received major exemptions from taxes from OUR government — meaning corporate welfare or socialism — and safety devices required by other nations were nixed by VP Dick Cheney. The safest oil company in the world is, in fact, half government-owned by the Scandinavians (eek! successful socialism!), and they require safety devices because they are representing ALL the people.
Simon_Jester about 11 years ago
LOL! You’re in Middle School, aren’t you?
chazandru about 11 years ago
If you look at google earth at the shorelines of oil producing nations where there is little or no regulation you’ll see oil sheens on the surface of the waters extending far beyond ‘territorial waters’. It is sad to see the number of people willing to defend practices that reduce the number of fish that are safe to eat; the quality of sanctuaries where birds and fingerlings breed and grow; and shorelines where human live, play, and go for vacation. ^It is even more perplexing to hear people claim that over regulation is a bigger threat to our nation and the future of our environment in the face of the practices of these corporations who place short term profits over long term job security and safety. ^My compliments to the many good messages preceding this and would only suggest the lesson I have recently learned to the many good thinkers here.^Don’t reply to lies, insults, or attacks on the messenger. It’s the message that is important. Mr. Pett’s message is very good and brings to mind what Richard Pryor said, “Are you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?”Respectfully,C.
CasualBrowser about 11 years ago
My questions were directed at you, because they’re the ones you haven’t bothered to ask yourself. Critical thinking is a resource available to you if you’re able and willing to use it.
CasualBrowser about 11 years ago
There’s enough mind there to put out spurious facts, that’s enough to mislead people who might follow blindly. I don’t pretend that Ima is going to be rational, or a good citizen, but I have to take a stab at bringing false notions to people’s attention, however infrequently I do it. To stand by silently is to surrender the facts, the debate and ‘the internet’.
frodo1008 about 11 years ago
Ah, I see one of the ultra conservative trolls has now attacked me also. Oh well, how are you doing HOWGOZIT?
frodo1008 about 11 years ago
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
I like the way BP talks of the money they’ve spent, not pointing out it’s fines.
Motivemagus about 11 years ago
Ooo, I put you on the defensive! Amazing. First of all, BP’s spill was ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE. Second of all, the odds against accidents work a lot better when you follow the safety rules. BP didn’t, and WE paid for it. I’d think you’d appreciate that instead of defending a criminal.And the Deepwater Horizon is considered the largest accidental oil spill in history. Or are you talking about the 1979 spill, to which there was considerable reaction?
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
^Important to note that in 2007, the Bush Administration greatly REDUCED that regulatory “burden” for safety on the oil industry in the Gulf. It was those regulation changes BP took advantage of, and a step beyond, that led to the disaster. It wasn’t an “accident”, it was calculated “risk” that hundreds of other sites are also taking, still.
Yes, there are “natural seeps” around the world’s oceans, which cumulatively amount to a few hours of a drilled hole into high pressure “vaults” release when things go “oops!”. When Shell gets permits to explore in the Arctic, and two of two rigs are damaged and removed from the area because of “accidents”, how “safe” is their current technology, and regulatory controls? Answer: not at all.