Ted Rall for February 15, 2013

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    Michael Peterson Premium Member about 11 years ago

    Ted, he murdered two people in cold blood, before killing some cops. I realize you applaud those latter deaths, but how can you ignore the first two?

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    lbatik  about 11 years ago

    He went after someone’s daughter and her fiance, two people who had never even had the opportunity to wrong him! And another one of the murders was a wildlife officer, not a cop!

    He isn’t some martyred hero. He didn’t go first after “corrupt cops”, or make any attempt to protect innocent people. He killed innocent people.

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    neatslob Premium Member about 11 years ago

    In this age of social media, there are ways to call attention to a problem that don’t involve murdering people.

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    wmbrainiac  about 11 years ago

    the folks accusing the cartoonist of celebrating the mayhem as a rational response have it wrong. he simply suggests that much of what we accept from our officials is, upon reflection, enough to break a mind.

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    Mephistopheles  about 11 years ago

    Like many others I decry the murdering of anybody for any reason. But I think his cartoon (I hope that isn’t the wrong term) speaks to the Desperation and Frustration one might feel when they perceive themselves to be wrongly dismissed from their career.

    Take out the hotbutton topic of gun violence and imagine that he killed these people with a car or a knife or, to quote Archie Bunker, pushed em out a winda. The violence he committed still isn’t justified but NOW we could focus on whether or not his dismissal was justified. And if it wasn’t, we would heap some blame on his superiors that did this.

    And don’t expect me to feel worse because he killed police officers. Killing is wrong . We give it special attention in the legal system because we want the public to respect the authority of the police.

    As to somebodies comment that their are better ways to draw attention to your plight I disagree. I think it is fair to say their are less evil ways, and there ways that have a better likliehood of you getting justice but I think he did a pretty good job of drawing attention to the issue on which he was most dearly focused which was his perception that he was wrongfully terminated and wasn’t going to get justice. There is so much noise in the media that standing in the marketplace and saying “I was wronged” won’t get near as much attention as Honey Boo Boo talking about farts.

    I’m betting that when the LA police force reviews this they will publically say that “Everything was right and done by the book” because no one will ever admit to having screwed up. But Privately there will be some admission of wrong doing and some Lt. Probably won’t ever get promoted again.

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    SwimsWithSharks  about 11 years ago

    Yeah, it would have been swell if they’d let that psycho keep his badge.

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    ConserveGov  about 11 years ago

    Teddy has once again returned to his Shock Jock routine.

    Oh no, did the guy lose his job that he feels was for unfair reasons? Welcome to the world of millions of people that experience the same thing every year. You suck it up and get a new job. Is it tough? Ya, but that’s life. You don’t cowardly kill people that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it.Oh and his whining about being called names on the playground is just pathetic. He said he wanted to clear his name, well I’m sure he made his family proud to be related to a vicious, cowardly killer.
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    William Bednar Premium Member about 11 years ago

    Now I understand why Joker was the real hero of the movie “Dark Knight”. It all fits!

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    californicated1  about 11 years ago

    How many of you out there are Coloradoan-born, -raised and -educated?…I just live here in Livermore, California these days and usually wonder why nowadays, but that’s beside the point.…And if you are Colorado-born, -raised and -educated, you probably learned along the way about Colonel John Chivington.…Back in November of 1864, Chivington was given orders, both from the War Department and from his superior officer, Territorial Governor and General of all Union forces in Colorado Territory, to take troops into the Arkansas River Valley both in Colorado Territory and into the state of Kansas and look for Curtis and his Confederate raiders, who were making life very messy along the Chisholm and Santa Fe trails.…On November 29, 1864, Chivington’s forces encountered an aboriginal settlement of Kiowa and Cheyenne peoples, mostly, women, children and the elderly along the banks of Sand Creek, a tributary of the Arkansas River in what is now Prowers County, Colorado, near Lamar.…Chivington gave the orders for the troops to fire on the encampment and leave no one alive.…General John C. Evans, Chivington’s superior officer isssued no such order for the engagement or even eradication of aboriginal peoples if they were encountered by Chivington and his forces and when Lincoln’s cabinet and the War Department found out, they wanted heads to roll, not only Chivington’s, but also Evans’.…At Chivington’s Court Martial, Chivington was asked why he gave the order to massacre the settlement and his answer was that “nits make lice”.…His approach was the same as a pest control professional would take when encountering vermin and other household pests and that not only did the current generation have to be dealt with, but so did any future generations.…Now don’t get me wrong, nobody likes the idea that they and their families have to pay the consequences of the actions of one of their own that did wrong to somebody else, including any children out there, but in the greater scheme of things, if a person did wrong against me, not only will I consider them bad people to begin with, but I will consider the family that spawned that bad person, too, and that mentality may have also been running through this rogue Police Officer’s mindset as well.…Remember that this cop was also a soldier and trained in those ways, too, where everybody that you know is not on your side might be an enemy, too, and that it may be safer to consider them hostile until proven otherwise.…And if livelihoods and futures have to be sacrificed by one side, perhaps they should be sacrificed by all sides involved, which may mean that even families and their children are targets.…It’s the stuff that generational blood feuds, wars and even genocides are based on.…One may not like the mindset out there that “nits make lice”, but the rationale is out there for why some folks consider it as an option, and even follow up on it like this rogue Police Officer demonstrated, doesn’t make it right, doesn’t justify the act, but it also doesn’t make it wrong, either, to go after the children and the relatives of those that do one wrong to the point that even futures are sacrificed.…For the record, which this is becoming, I don’t support the rogue cop’s actions, especially after resorting to “Rambo” style tactics or even Eric Rudolph’s tactics, either, but I do understand why he may have considered going after the families and the children of the folks who may have done great wrong by him and to him.…And once again, we are back to Chivington’s sentiment about his actions at the Sand Creek Massacre on November 29, 1864 and that Californians may not understand it or have a paradigm that fits it, even though Coloradoans understand it, for better or worse, because that is also a part of their history.

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    Mickey 13  about 11 years ago

    For one who is a proponent of the violent overthrow of our system, isn’t it interesting that your radical agenda can be freely expressed because of the freedom’s guaranteed you by the First Amendment? Obviously you hate America, your choice. But why you stay here when all you do is denigrate our country is a mystery to me. You speak of the military as being full of criminals and cowards.

    However you would cast doubts on the system in relation to this demented action is a stretch to me. LAPD, like any organization can and has had problems with racism. In this particular case I really don’t see it. Worse case scenario, get the ACLU, NAACP and every other organization you can to dispute their case. But take it to the streets and murder innocent people and ambush and murder police? On any level and rationale, it’s wrong.

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    I Quit  about 11 years ago

    Classic false dichotomy Mr. Rall. There are plenty of options between mass murder and self-destructive passivity.

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    derlehrer  about 11 years ago

    And I’m not sure why Mr Rall accepts that someone burned to death in a cabin surrounded by an armed force is a suicide.-—————————————————Christopher Dorner was murdered by the “authorities” – as evidenced at the following sites:.http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_221407&feature=iv&src_vid=UqtV-6hNTd0&v=h8dPKCPmpHM.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUGJo2tRsHs

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    Ted Rall creator about 11 years ago

    “Very insensitive” = editorial cartoon. I’m not in the sensitivity business.

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    Ted Rall creator about 11 years ago

    Who knows? But apparently the guy was a bit of a Boy Scout. True believers in the system come down hard.

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    Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago

    Nice revision of history. The mental healthcare community pushed for ‘de-institutionalizing’ patients, but wanted the money spent on sanitariums to go toward out-patient treatment. The idea was that many people in asylums could lead relatively normal, productive lives when they received treatment. Instead, most states just closed the institutions & pocketed the money. The ACLU has sued on behalf of people who were being threatened with forcible commitment to an asylum Try to find a case where the ACLU helped a killer stay on the streets & I can show you a bunch where the NRA helped a felon get his gun rights back, who went on to kill someone.

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    Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago

    Wow… what an impressive counter argument.

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    ScullyUFO  about 11 years ago

    Mr. Rall:Based on the comments you’re going to have to start dumbing it down, or, remain marginalized.

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