As a gun owner, with experience in law enforcement, and combat, the NRA has been responsible for thousands of killings, every year, in the U.S., because rational regulations have NOT been passed. Bullets kill people, not guns, and guns with high capacity for lethality, as designed to be, don’t belong in “civilian” hands.
The Second Amendment was NOT about citizens taking up arms against OUR government, EVER! It was about a well-regulated militia, defending OUR government, and people against attack, from outside forces, or internal dangers trying to overthrow our government.
The tiresome BS from NRA, and the highly paid lobbyist Mr. La PIerre, continues to kill our people, including two more police officers over the weekend, and of course, children in their school.
The long story of this latest shooter’s mental instability is also NOT a “new thing”, having been recognized by many who contacted him, but had not response under our “system”. We need intervention for mental health problems, and “gun problems”. With the highest gun homicide rate in the world, by a factor of over 15 times that of any other nation, maybe it’s time we realize the NRA doesn’t provide any answers.
A cartoon I drew in the 80’s resulted in the NRA threateningmy newspaper with a lawsuit.I had my reservations about the NRA prior to that, butthis incident also showed that while they talk incessantlyabout 2nd Amendment rights, they really don’t care about1st Amendment rights.Without the 1st Amendment, we would of course be in asmuch trouble ( or more ) than we would be without thesecond.
“So living in a world where you would NEED an “Armed Marine” in EVERY Elementary, Junior High, and High School is even needed is fine for you?”-I remember, while enlisted in the Navy, visiting countries where you saw armed men in military garb on nearly every corner. These were also the countries whose cities had a strictly enforced curfew. It didn’t leave me with a feeling of safety, and I got the impression the locals didn’t feel their societies were free or safe.
Dianne Feinstein’s bill is the right idea, but the wrong solution. There is no point in outlawing guns. They are out there, there are millions, they are made of metal and will last for a thousand years if they are kept oiled. Failing that, I could find materials in my basement that would produce a workable gun, and it doesn’t take much knowledge of the subject to figure out how to do it.
Bullets, on the other hand, are time consuming to make and require specific equipment. Production of enough to do serious damage would require planning and patience that are not characteristic of those who shoot up elementary schools. And, working on such a project might attract the attention of someone sane.
Bullets can be individually stamped, and their sale can be registered, so that every bullet can be traced back to the person who purchased it. This way, a guy who wants to buy a couple boxes of bullets to go shoot deer, or the woman who wants a box to keep with the gun in her bedside drawer, won’t set off any warning bells. But the guy who is buying an arsenal will attract attention before he finds a more lethal way to do it.
“Liberals must always blame something on someone….”-Which makes them like any other group of humans, conservatives included.-“…instead of working on prevention solutions.”-Just because they come up with solutions you don’t like, or haven’t heard of, doesn’t mean they haven’t proposed any. They work on prevention solutions just as much as any other group, including conservatives. You should assess reality rather than your biases.
GUNS DO KILL. Don’t believe the same old nonsense from the pro gun lobby that apparently feel that their right to own an assault weapon is more important than a six year old’s right to turn seven. We’re already hearing the old replies that we heard after Columbine, Luby’s, Va. Tech, and all the other slaughters over the last forty years or so. If the weapons were banned all those children would be alive to celebrate Christmas. If you are arguing for the right to own assault weapons it’s time to reexamine your life and your priorities. You cannot defend the indefensible so please don’t try. It’s offensive.
Bruce: The Articles of Confederation put all “arms” under the strict control of the state, to be issued when needed to the militia. It was relaxed in the Constitution because of the delay in distributing those weapons back in the day. The “well regulated militia” clause was quite specific for that reason.
While we had that little dust-up with the Brits again in 1812, the tyranny was NEVER intended by the founding fathers to mean OUR government. Only “TEA party”, JBS, and NRA buy that garbage that protecting ourselves from our own government was on their minds.
WE were founded as a republic, where representative government protects our rights, not some lunatic with an automatic weapon crawling out of his bomb shelter.
Constitution or no constitution its time to take the guns away. When a toddler is unruly and damages things in the house, you take that child and put it in a playpen until it demonstrates that it can be responsible with its freedom. Americans are proud of their freedom but are not demonstrating that they can be responsible with it. Its time to allow for some “tyranny” in the government so that drastic changes can be made. Also, the constitution was written when the threat of invasion was real; 200 YEARS AGO!! In case this isn’t taught in American schools; THE INVASION HAS BEEN CANCELLED!! You can stand down!
I think we don’t know all the facts yet – but I’m glad :P to see that the majority that voted the fakest impostor of a president into office TWICE are still demonstrating their ability to make rash, emotionally charged decisions about indispensible human rights on the spur of the moment without full information. Please someone guarantee that another incident like this won’t happen again in the modern society that we live in – and then maybe you can assume the righteous podium the deaths of 27 innocent victims have bought for you – until then – grieve, and let others grieve.
Tigger – I agree with you. Human naturewon’t change, and history is what it is.You don’t have to have studied historythat closely to see an unfortunate threadregarding a major aspect of governmentpower.I was just recounting an experience I hadwith the NRA’s legal arm over a cartoonI drew about John Hinckley, Jr. , whichstruck me as ironic.But i want to point out that the NRA at theleadership level and the 2nd Amendmentare not synonymous.The 2nd Amendment was written by JamesMadison more than 220 years ago.The NRA’s leadership and policies haveevolved apace more with changes in firearm technology than anything else.They are a lobbying group – nothing moreor less.
Excellent cartoon. It’s worth pointing out that even NRA members, by a huge majority, want high-capacity magazines banned. The NRA, however, does not represent its members. It represents gun dealers and the Republican party, even endorsing Romney when HE has a record of banning guns and Obama doesn’t.
You thumb your nose at reason. You scoff at a point being made. You refuse to acknowledge other viewpoints without mocking. So there is no other recourse with you. So be it. Can’t take it? Get out of the comment rooms!
But, there were NO high capacity Assault Rifles in existence when the writers of the first two amendments wrote that second amendment, now were there?
In fact, if legal guns were only the kind of flintlock mechanisms that existed then, there sure as heck would be far fewer mass shootings in this country.
Heck, by the time you fired once and then re loaded your weapon, somebody would have put you down!!
What does the NEA have to do with the school shooting? This cartoon was about the shooting ing CT, so how does your comment apply here? Why not say “He should be getting a barb-wire tattoo”, it would be just as connected as your comment, unles you provide the link.
NRA makes it too easy for herself. Fight Fire with Fire. Maybe you wouldn’t need that if you don’t give everyone a lighter.
Nobody need such weapons (or use them) for hunting deers, bears etc. or even self defense (there a “classic” gun is much more comfortable) They are only build for man-hunt – and this mean it doesn’t have to be available for civilians.
Just out of curiousity, if 50 million liberals joined the NRA as voting members, and under that organizations current by laws, could liberals not take over the NRA and create a new agenda?I really don’t know but am curious.Respectfully,C.
That tired old phrase, “guns don’t kill, people kill” is not working. Remember the definition of idiocy? ‘Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.’
I would direct you to my new comment at Lalo’s page…The cartoon of a heart with a bullet hole in it…
What is a right? It seems to me that you are the one who needs to think hard on when a right begins and ends…
Philosophically the Founding Fathers submitted that pertinent rights came from God… The train of the thinking resulting from the Enlightenment led them to recognize individual rights as being inviolate and inalienable; and essentially, that these rights are self-possessed (for all intents and purposes, whether you believe in God or not, the final arbiter of individual rights is the sovereignty of the individual). The Bill of Rights codified such rights and appended them to the Constitution and they have as much authority as the original body of the text. This Bill of Rights protects us from one entity that DOES NOT have inalienable jurisdiction over our individual rights – The American Government. As such, the 2nd Amendment affirms this recognition that the legal and moral ACTIVITIES OF THE CITIZENS WHETHER WITH THEIR BODY, A PRINTING PRESS, OR A FIREARM is immutable and not to be infringed upon accept through due process…Due process: another legal term which Americans generally know nothing and could not care less about…
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
No Rational Alternatives
As a gun owner, with experience in law enforcement, and combat, the NRA has been responsible for thousands of killings, every year, in the U.S., because rational regulations have NOT been passed. Bullets kill people, not guns, and guns with high capacity for lethality, as designed to be, don’t belong in “civilian” hands.
The Second Amendment was NOT about citizens taking up arms against OUR government, EVER! It was about a well-regulated militia, defending OUR government, and people against attack, from outside forces, or internal dangers trying to overthrow our government.
The tiresome BS from NRA, and the highly paid lobbyist Mr. La PIerre, continues to kill our people, including two more police officers over the weekend, and of course, children in their school.
The long story of this latest shooter’s mental instability is also NOT a “new thing”, having been recognized by many who contacted him, but had not response under our “system”. We need intervention for mental health problems, and “gun problems”. With the highest gun homicide rate in the world, by a factor of over 15 times that of any other nation, maybe it’s time we realize the NRA doesn’t provide any answers.
Odon Premium Member over 11 years ago
Preventive solutions include overdue restrictions on excessive firepower.
bueller over 11 years ago
A cartoon I drew in the 80’s resulted in the NRA threateningmy newspaper with a lawsuit.I had my reservations about the NRA prior to that, butthis incident also showed that while they talk incessantlyabout 2nd Amendment rights, they really don’t care about1st Amendment rights.Without the 1st Amendment, we would of course be in asmuch trouble ( or more ) than we would be without thesecond.
CasualBrowser over 11 years ago
“So living in a world where you would NEED an “Armed Marine” in EVERY Elementary, Junior High, and High School is even needed is fine for you?”-I remember, while enlisted in the Navy, visiting countries where you saw armed men in military garb on nearly every corner. These were also the countries whose cities had a strictly enforced curfew. It didn’t leave me with a feeling of safety, and I got the impression the locals didn’t feel their societies were free or safe.
Diane Lee Premium Member over 11 years ago
Dianne Feinstein’s bill is the right idea, but the wrong solution. There is no point in outlawing guns. They are out there, there are millions, they are made of metal and will last for a thousand years if they are kept oiled. Failing that, I could find materials in my basement that would produce a workable gun, and it doesn’t take much knowledge of the subject to figure out how to do it.
Bullets, on the other hand, are time consuming to make and require specific equipment. Production of enough to do serious damage would require planning and patience that are not characteristic of those who shoot up elementary schools. And, working on such a project might attract the attention of someone sane.
Bullets can be individually stamped, and their sale can be registered, so that every bullet can be traced back to the person who purchased it. This way, a guy who wants to buy a couple boxes of bullets to go shoot deer, or the woman who wants a box to keep with the gun in her bedside drawer, won’t set off any warning bells. But the guy who is buying an arsenal will attract attention before he finds a more lethal way to do it.
CasualBrowser over 11 years ago
“Liberals must always blame something on someone….”-Which makes them like any other group of humans, conservatives included.-“…instead of working on prevention solutions.”-Just because they come up with solutions you don’t like, or haven’t heard of, doesn’t mean they haven’t proposed any. They work on prevention solutions just as much as any other group, including conservatives. You should assess reality rather than your biases.
CasualBrowser over 11 years ago
“He should be cutting up his NEA card.”-Why is that?
Rickapolis over 11 years ago
GUNS DO KILL. Don’t believe the same old nonsense from the pro gun lobby that apparently feel that their right to own an assault weapon is more important than a six year old’s right to turn seven. We’re already hearing the old replies that we heard after Columbine, Luby’s, Va. Tech, and all the other slaughters over the last forty years or so. If the weapons were banned all those children would be alive to celebrate Christmas. If you are arguing for the right to own assault weapons it’s time to reexamine your life and your priorities. You cannot defend the indefensible so please don’t try. It’s offensive.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Bruce: The Articles of Confederation put all “arms” under the strict control of the state, to be issued when needed to the militia. It was relaxed in the Constitution because of the delay in distributing those weapons back in the day. The “well regulated militia” clause was quite specific for that reason.
While we had that little dust-up with the Brits again in 1812, the tyranny was NEVER intended by the founding fathers to mean OUR government. Only “TEA party”, JBS, and NRA buy that garbage that protecting ourselves from our own government was on their minds.
WE were founded as a republic, where representative government protects our rights, not some lunatic with an automatic weapon crawling out of his bomb shelter.
nathob over 11 years ago
Constitution or no constitution its time to take the guns away. When a toddler is unruly and damages things in the house, you take that child and put it in a playpen until it demonstrates that it can be responsible with its freedom. Americans are proud of their freedom but are not demonstrating that they can be responsible with it. Its time to allow for some “tyranny” in the government so that drastic changes can be made. Also, the constitution was written when the threat of invasion was real; 200 YEARS AGO!! In case this isn’t taught in American schools; THE INVASION HAS BEEN CANCELLED!! You can stand down!
Don Winchester Premium Member over 11 years ago
YOU should talk???? HA!
Odon Premium Member over 11 years ago
Why is it the rest of the Constitution has no such vehement advocate/protector? Think$$
adherent#1 over 11 years ago
I think we don’t know all the facts yet – but I’m glad :P to see that the majority that voted the fakest impostor of a president into office TWICE are still demonstrating their ability to make rash, emotionally charged decisions about indispensible human rights on the spur of the moment without full information. Please someone guarantee that another incident like this won’t happen again in the modern society that we live in – and then maybe you can assume the righteous podium the deaths of 27 innocent victims have bought for you – until then – grieve, and let others grieve.
Odon Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Folks who are taking these course are told the laws of when you can shoot someone.” Now there’s a comforting thought.
bueller over 11 years ago
Tigger – I agree with you. Human naturewon’t change, and history is what it is.You don’t have to have studied historythat closely to see an unfortunate threadregarding a major aspect of governmentpower.I was just recounting an experience I hadwith the NRA’s legal arm over a cartoonI drew about John Hinckley, Jr. , whichstruck me as ironic.But i want to point out that the NRA at theleadership level and the 2nd Amendmentare not synonymous.The 2nd Amendment was written by JamesMadison more than 220 years ago.The NRA’s leadership and policies haveevolved apace more with changes in firearm technology than anything else.They are a lobbying group – nothing moreor less.
ARodney over 11 years ago
Excellent cartoon. It’s worth pointing out that even NRA members, by a huge majority, want high-capacity magazines banned. The NRA, however, does not represent its members. It represents gun dealers and the Republican party, even endorsing Romney when HE has a record of banning guns and Obama doesn’t.
Don Winchester Premium Member over 11 years ago
You thumb your nose at reason. You scoff at a point being made. You refuse to acknowledge other viewpoints without mocking. So there is no other recourse with you. So be it. Can’t take it? Get out of the comment rooms!
frodo1008 over 11 years ago
But, there were NO high capacity Assault Rifles in existence when the writers of the first two amendments wrote that second amendment, now were there?
In fact, if legal guns were only the kind of flintlock mechanisms that existed then, there sure as heck would be far fewer mass shootings in this country.
Heck, by the time you fired once and then re loaded your weapon, somebody would have put you down!!
CasualBrowser over 11 years ago
What does the NEA have to do with the school shooting? This cartoon was about the shooting ing CT, so how does your comment apply here? Why not say “He should be getting a barb-wire tattoo”, it would be just as connected as your comment, unles you provide the link.
trantor0815 over 11 years ago
NRA makes it too easy for herself. Fight Fire with Fire. Maybe you wouldn’t need that if you don’t give everyone a lighter.
Nobody need such weapons (or use them) for hunting deers, bears etc. or even self defense (there a “classic” gun is much more comfortable) They are only build for man-hunt – and this mean it doesn’t have to be available for civilians.
Donaldo Premium Member over 11 years ago
Gun kill statistics from last year:
Japan: 48 killsGreat Britain: 8 killsSwitzerland: 34 killsCanada: 54 killsIsrael: 58 killsSweden: 21 killsGermany: 48 kills
USA: 10.728 kills
Guns don’t kill people. Americans kill people
chazandru over 11 years ago
Just out of curiousity, if 50 million liberals joined the NRA as voting members, and under that organizations current by laws, could liberals not take over the NRA and create a new agenda?I really don’t know but am curious.Respectfully,C.
inevattable over 11 years ago
That tired old phrase, “guns don’t kill, people kill” is not working. Remember the definition of idiocy? ‘Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.’
ossiningaling over 11 years ago
The NRA didn’t used to be so lop-sided. If all the reasonable people leave, it will never get better.
kamwick over 11 years ago
As is your reference and reasoning.
rowena28 Premium Member over 11 years ago
I wish NRA members were cutting up their membership cards! Unfortunately, these preventable tragedies just cause them to go out & buy more guns.
spiderlegs54 over 11 years ago
Isn’t sensible regualtion a preventative solution??
Don Winchester Premium Member over 11 years ago
You keep doing a great job of proving my point.
Don Winchester Premium Member over 11 years ago
Keep it up! I’m LOVING how ignorant you are!
adherent#1 over 11 years ago
I would direct you to my new comment at Lalo’s page…The cartoon of a heart with a bullet hole in it…
What is a right? It seems to me that you are the one who needs to think hard on when a right begins and ends…
Philosophically the Founding Fathers submitted that pertinent rights came from God… The train of the thinking resulting from the Enlightenment led them to recognize individual rights as being inviolate and inalienable; and essentially, that these rights are self-possessed (for all intents and purposes, whether you believe in God or not, the final arbiter of individual rights is the sovereignty of the individual). The Bill of Rights codified such rights and appended them to the Constitution and they have as much authority as the original body of the text. This Bill of Rights protects us from one entity that DOES NOT have inalienable jurisdiction over our individual rights – The American Government. As such, the 2nd Amendment affirms this recognition that the legal and moral ACTIVITIES OF THE CITIZENS WHETHER WITH THEIR BODY, A PRINTING PRESS, OR A FIREARM is immutable and not to be infringed upon accept through due process…Due process: another legal term which Americans generally know nothing and could not care less about…