I understand the “Gay/Lesbian” rights agenda in regard to marriage and adoption but I’ve not really thought much beyond that. I have to admit I’m less knowledgeable regarding bisexual and transgender rights. Dennis Miller once said, and I paraphrase, “there is so much hate in the world I will never deny the choice of two people in love the chance to live their lives together.” He went on to say that bisexuals were just greedy.There are more promiscuous heterosexuals than homosexuals by sheer numbers alone. I have always thought bisexuals to be sexually active people who if not promiscuous were certainly not committed to one person, much less one sex. If I am wrong, I would like to know.Transgender can be transsexual or transvestite. If the former, the person was born of one sex but through medical means is now the other sex. What legal impediments does a transsexual face? Transvestites are not always “homosexuals”, they like to dress like the opposite sex, but are heterosexual transvestites facing the same legal, not social, discrimination as do homosexuals? I’m not trying to be flippant here, I really don’t know. And my friends who are gay are committed relationships and all of them have told me bisexuals are just sexually active and haven’t settled on one person or one sex. They had no answer re: heterosexual transgender folks.Respectfully, but curious, C.
The vast majority of the LGBT community live in solid, solid blue states. NY, California, NJ, Illinois etc. It didn’t matter to the Presidential election for whom they voted. Just as it didn’t matter who I voted for as a citizen of NY.
^you’re assuming that the civil rights issues mean nothing to straight voters. One of the big mistakes the republicans made in this election was that people vote SOLEY on the basis of their own immediate (economic) self interest. How many straight people know and are friends with gay people? how many straight people have loved friends and family members that are gay? When one party villifies groups based on sex, sexual orientation, health care, color, race, immigration status etc… they don’t just offend the people in that group.
I am male. I can not ever have an abortion. However abortion is a topic that is a litmus test for me for privacy. When reagan tried to illegalize abortion, i correctly thought he couldn’t do it because he’d have to go after privacy, and a conservative must certainly hold privacy higher than health care – boy was i wrong. Abortion rights have been whittled down through privacy attacks to the point where it is unobtainable and therefore defacto – illegal in the majority of the united states.
so while looking at my demographics it would be easy to assume that i would not be disturbed by attacks on abortion rights – i am white, upper middle class, male and a registered republican. I will never support or vote for a platform that attacks anyones rights, or disparages a group because of their sex, sexual orientation, or beliefs. that’s because i am a patriotic american. the things about this country that are shameful or need to be fixed, i aim to try to fix.so candidates that want to limit the civil rights of gays or anyone else, or limit privacy and abortion rights, or talk about judging a woman’s intent for a medical procedure (legitimate rape) will never get my vote, even though things don’t address me directly – they are absolute veto issues for me.
@libertarian, i am a new yorker also, and know and am friends with born again christians and gays, and straights.
my born again christian friends are free to discuss and try to make political changes in accordance with their beliefs. I don’t know any who condone the murder of abortion docs, like what happened in florida and buffalo (and other places). nor do they try to thrust their beliefs in my private life, nor anyone elses that i have seen.
if you don’t believe in abortion, gay marriage or a myriad of other things, then don’t have one. that belief doesn’t give anyone the right to restrict another persons civil rights.
Well, at least now I understand to which of my posts you were referring. But I still don’t see how it’s relevant, or how I employed a double standard. “Straight” is a term used by both homosexuals and heterosexuals to mean “not gay” (or lesbian, or bisexual; with transgenders, it’s more complicated, since some who are born biological males consider themselves “heterosexual women” rather than “homosexual men” (and some do not)).
The logical opposite for “straight” as “heterosexual” would be “bent” for homosexual, but that’s never been used much in the USA. If either the cartoonist (or the figure pictured) or I had used the term “queer”, you might have an argument to make, since that’s a term that’s often (but not universally) embraced within the LGBT community but causes offense when applied by outsiders.
Still, have you never known, say, a rural Southerner who proudly (if jocularly) uses the term “redneck”, “Bubba”, or “cracker” but considers them “fightin’ words” when spoken by a Northerner?
chazandru over 11 years ago
I understand the “Gay/Lesbian” rights agenda in regard to marriage and adoption but I’ve not really thought much beyond that. I have to admit I’m less knowledgeable regarding bisexual and transgender rights. Dennis Miller once said, and I paraphrase, “there is so much hate in the world I will never deny the choice of two people in love the chance to live their lives together.” He went on to say that bisexuals were just greedy.There are more promiscuous heterosexuals than homosexuals by sheer numbers alone. I have always thought bisexuals to be sexually active people who if not promiscuous were certainly not committed to one person, much less one sex. If I am wrong, I would like to know.Transgender can be transsexual or transvestite. If the former, the person was born of one sex but through medical means is now the other sex. What legal impediments does a transsexual face? Transvestites are not always “homosexuals”, they like to dress like the opposite sex, but are heterosexual transvestites facing the same legal, not social, discrimination as do homosexuals? I’m not trying to be flippant here, I really don’t know. And my friends who are gay are committed relationships and all of them have told me bisexuals are just sexually active and haven’t settled on one person or one sex. They had no answer re: heterosexual transgender folks.Respectfully, but curious, C.
Libertarian1 over 11 years ago
The vast majority of the LGBT community live in solid, solid blue states. NY, California, NJ, Illinois etc. It didn’t matter to the Presidential election for whom they voted. Just as it didn’t matter who I voted for as a citizen of NY.
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
“I am not sure the reference to ‘straight’ as a comical device at the expense of the LGBT groups is politically correct.”
Possibly not, but I don’t imagine anyone would take offense; if anything, they’d probably appreciate the irony.
dannysixpack over 11 years ago
^you’re assuming that the civil rights issues mean nothing to straight voters. One of the big mistakes the republicans made in this election was that people vote SOLEY on the basis of their own immediate (economic) self interest. How many straight people know and are friends with gay people? how many straight people have loved friends and family members that are gay? When one party villifies groups based on sex, sexual orientation, health care, color, race, immigration status etc… they don’t just offend the people in that group.
I am male. I can not ever have an abortion. However abortion is a topic that is a litmus test for me for privacy. When reagan tried to illegalize abortion, i correctly thought he couldn’t do it because he’d have to go after privacy, and a conservative must certainly hold privacy higher than health care – boy was i wrong. Abortion rights have been whittled down through privacy attacks to the point where it is unobtainable and therefore defacto – illegal in the majority of the united states.
so while looking at my demographics it would be easy to assume that i would not be disturbed by attacks on abortion rights – i am white, upper middle class, male and a registered republican. I will never support or vote for a platform that attacks anyones rights, or disparages a group because of their sex, sexual orientation, or beliefs. that’s because i am a patriotic american. the things about this country that are shameful or need to be fixed, i aim to try to fix.so candidates that want to limit the civil rights of gays or anyone else, or limit privacy and abortion rights, or talk about judging a woman’s intent for a medical procedure (legitimate rape) will never get my vote, even though things don’t address me directly – they are absolute veto issues for me.
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
PPS: What dannysixpack said.
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Just another example of a double standard.”
Can you elaborate?
dannysixpack over 11 years ago
@libertarian, i am a new yorker also, and know and am friends with born again christians and gays, and straights.
my born again christian friends are free to discuss and try to make political changes in accordance with their beliefs. I don’t know any who condone the murder of abortion docs, like what happened in florida and buffalo (and other places). nor do they try to thrust their beliefs in my private life, nor anyone elses that i have seen.
if you don’t believe in abortion, gay marriage or a myriad of other things, then don’t have one. that belief doesn’t give anyone the right to restrict another persons civil rights.
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
Well, at least now I understand to which of my posts you were referring. But I still don’t see how it’s relevant, or how I employed a double standard. “Straight” is a term used by both homosexuals and heterosexuals to mean “not gay” (or lesbian, or bisexual; with transgenders, it’s more complicated, since some who are born biological males consider themselves “heterosexual women” rather than “homosexual men” (and some do not)).
The logical opposite for “straight” as “heterosexual” would be “bent” for homosexual, but that’s never been used much in the USA. If either the cartoonist (or the figure pictured) or I had used the term “queer”, you might have an argument to make, since that’s a term that’s often (but not universally) embraced within the LGBT community but causes offense when applied by outsiders.
Still, have you never known, say, a rural Southerner who proudly (if jocularly) uses the term “redneck”, “Bubba”, or “cracker” but considers them “fightin’ words” when spoken by a Northerner?