Good for Obama. Netanyahu should not be interfering in a U.S. presidential election. Obama has been a staunch supporter of Israel — according to Israel’s own defense ministry, his administration has been the strongest supporter of them in years. it’s no wonder he’s a little ticked at being accused of being weak on Iran when he hasn’t been. Romney has been very clear that he will do nothing on the Israel-Palestine peace process, since he thinks it’s hopeless. The Israelis need to find a better leader. These people with no vision for the future are a bit tiring.
ATTN neocon posters: the IDF will accept you into their ranks. Please feel free to protect the country you’re more loyal to than the USA without using my tax dollars to do so.
And now, the point of view of an intelligent conservative, George Will: I really do not think it’s fair to fault the president for ‘throwing Israel under the bus,’ as they say,” Will said on ABC’s This Week, quoting a criticism of Obama leveled by Mitt Romney. “Granted, he has a bad relationship with my good friend Netanyahu, but the relationships between the U.S. military and the Israeli military, which is 98 percent of the point of this relationship, are quite good
And for a reality check, what does Bibi say?:Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pressured the U.S. to define a “red line” for retaliation against Iran’s nuclear program. However, on Sunday, Netanyahu said that he and Obama have a “close” relationship and that he does not doubt the president’s support.Expose yer heads t’ th’ sunshine, laddies!
Obama’s shameful snubs and insults to Israel’s PM are piling up….a monument to a deceptive “foreign policy” that since day one in office has favored Israel’s enemies.-no wonder God is removing his protective hedge from America.no wonder our enemies are exposing the weakness of “hope and change” being done by Obama, dismantling our free enterprise system and trampling on religious rights and freedoms by legislation forced on citizens; and O’s Appeasement and Apology and disarmament policies including unilateral reduction of nuclear, cuts in defense and numbers of military people. We need a New Change to replace Obama, IMO.
Netanyahu’s "people’ are less than 2% of our population. Exactly why do they influence 99% of our “foreign policy”?? That is NOT a “slam” or “insult”, it is merely STATISTICS. Maybe we should pay more attention to NOT bombing folks from a population of 1.5 BILLION and waging “crusade” which is just another word for “jihad”??
" . . . . on Sunday, Netanyahu said that he and Obama have a “close” relationship and that he does not doubt the president’s support."
.As if it were prudent or diplomatic to say something less flattering of 0bama . . . . ." . . . the relationships between the U.S. military and the Israeli military, which is 98 percent of the point of this relationship, are quite good . . . ".So, the technocrats get along – big surprise . . . ., who is the Commander in Chief of the US military? You know the one that gives out the real orders that matter?
Blame a god or flip a coin, what’s the difference? The neocons want to go to war because their god is different then the other guys god. What nonsense when the only winner is Haliburton again. Stick each of your gods where the sun don’t shine.
I just read an editorial from a D.C. newspaper that compares Obama’s mistreatment of Israel’s PM to the way Britain treated Czechoslovakia when Hitler was preparing to invade….Chamberlain threw the Czechs “under the bus”…and Obama seems to be repeating the process with Israel.
I am a conservative in politics and a Christian by the new birth of the spirit….I am not a “war-monger”….I merely believe that my country and Israel must do what is necessary to survive as the nations that God helped establish and blesses by restraining our enemies. Islamic Jihad declared war on the USA in 1979 and it continues. Arabs and Muslims declared extermination wars against Israel beginning in 1948.Even the secular UN upholds national defense for nations.
It’s fascinating to see these armchair generals be so bloodthirsty. Hey, guys, war kills people. Sometimes lots and lots, including little kids who haven’t done anything wrong. War should be the very last thing you do, if everything else fails. It’s not at all clear that everything else has failed here. I’m just as worried as can be about an Iranian bomb, but I see that as part of a larger problem, which is the general proliferation of nuclear weapons. One step in the right direction might be a nuclear free zone in the Middle East — let’s see how fast Israel would agree to that.
“Have you even LOOKED at the ever growing list of people that want to kill us?” Have you even CONSIDERED why there would be a list and why it would be growing? If you haven’t, then you are not very introspective and are poorly equipped to comment on others’ motives.-———————————————————-
[Obama] refused to move the embassy to Israels capitol.NO nation officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital. The city hosts NO foreign embassies. This is because the status of Jerusalem is one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. If there’s EVER to be a permanent peace, the status of West and East Jerusalem must be resolved first.[Obama] put the muslim brotherhood in charge of Egypt and Libya.No. Democratic elections did that. Democracy. Elections. You may not like who won, but you’re not voting. In Egypt, however, a case can be made that the military is still in charge.Daily missle and mortor attacks on Israel.And the Israelis retaliate in force. The solution is peace. The Two State solution. At the moment, Netanyahu can’t do anything on this. He’s politically restricted by his ‘base’ – the religious extremists of the Settler Movement.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violenceGiving the Egyptian military over a billion dollars a year.No, we give Egypt TWO billion a year. And we give Israel THREE billion a year. And we’ve been doing so for over 30 years. These were the conditions of the Camp David Accord of 1978, which turned Egypt from Israel’s greatest enemy into an ally.I believe in a three state solution. Give Gaza to Egypt. Give what remains of the west bank to Jordan.That was the situation 50 years ago, but neither the Jordanians, nor the Egyptians, nor the Palestinians, not the Israelis themselves would agree to it now.Give 48 hours for the muslims to leave Israel proper.That would mean force marching more than 20% of Israel’s citizens, out of their property, in violation of the Israeli constitution and international law to . . . where?And if anyone attacks you, kill them all.I’ve got a better idea. Why don’t you move to Syria? Keep you busy.
Canuck, you demonstrate your total ignorance of the God of the Bible, who ordained national human governments and gave Adam’s race free will, and God allows human free will to operate, intervening only in rare and special cases and situations. God sometimes does His will through men; using Kings of Babylon to take captive disobedient Israel for 70 years, and then bringing the Jews back to the Promised Land to do a better job of obeying God’s Law.- God can use the USA to help Israel survive, and the USA has been blessed for being friend and ally since 1948. Even if leaders like Obama sell out Israel, God will keep Israel intact until Jesus their Messiah returns to do Armageddon and stop the anti-christ’s world army when it invades Palestine. But if America stops helping Israel, God’s blessings to us will stop.The Bible clearly teaches that Israel is an everlasting nation and earth will exist forever. Best for any human is to choose God’s side….it is Satan’s puppets that do harm to Israel and to Christians.
Sorry, but as tragic, and real, as it was, the “holocaust”, where half the victims were Jewish, is “get over it and move on”. It is time to stop risking the lives of hundreds of millions, in fact, billions of people, based on mythology concerning less than 20 million. It’s time to realize that Mobile, Alabama, Juneau, Alaska, Los Angeles, and Rio in Brazil, and Joplin, Mo., are just as important to the world as Jerusalem.
Sectarian personal behaviors should not dictate to secular governments, anywhere, it’s time for the religious hatred, from ALL SIDES to stop, and yes, get over it and move on.
“The Bible clearly teaches that Israel is an everlasting nation and earth will exist forever.” Really? Israel was established in 1948, a couple to several thousand years after the events depicted in “the” Bible..If you’re going to quote the Bible, you should do a little more research so that you don’t come off sounding completely uninformed. Here’s a hint, start with Israel.
Um, I didn’t quote the Bible.-————————————————————-Here’s another example of some folks getting confused because they can’t recognize a poster’s quoting from another post and the current comments. Some folks need all the help they can get! (I’m not referring to you, Eryx.)
I’d say something but there is so much hatred flying around this topic that my words would get twisted against me in five minutes. So if you want to know – Tweet me (but tell me that I met you here under the name you’re using here, or I’m liable to block you).
What were you, eight in 2003?-———————————————————————Amazing! I was thinking the same thing! (I try to read all current posts before I add a comment, in order not to duplicate others’ thoughts – you expressed my thinking exactly!!) Hell, I’ve said all along that the U.N. inspectors should have stood their ground, refused to leave, continued their job – and then awaited the next move of King George II to see what he would have done. Can you imagine bombing the U.N. inspectors?
^GHW Bush supported the Kurds in ‘91, but NOT the Shia in the south, who might just have overthrown Saddam for us. Bush feared they might gain power, which they now have, two decades delayed. Ask those in the “camps” in Lebanon, or Gaza, or West Bank about the “peaceful” nature of Likud and the right-wing in Israel, nope, can’t ask dead people.
Netanyahu now wants the U.S. to make MORE “dead people” for him and his radical view. It is time to tell him NO!
asked, “So are you saying the Kurds gassed themselves?”No, they were gassed 15 years before 2003, in 1988. After the 1st Gulf war in ‘91, most of Iraq’s WMDs were dismantled or decommissioned. This was on-going right until a few days before the 2nd Gulf war. After the invasion of Iraq, no further WMDs were found.By the way, the tech know-how and resources for chemical weapons in order to gas the Kurds…supplied by a number of European, Asian, Middle-Eastern and, correct, the U. S. of A. Well done.
ARodney over 11 years ago
Good for Obama. Netanyahu should not be interfering in a U.S. presidential election. Obama has been a staunch supporter of Israel — according to Israel’s own defense ministry, his administration has been the strongest supporter of them in years. it’s no wonder he’s a little ticked at being accused of being weak on Iran when he hasn’t been. Romney has been very clear that he will do nothing on the Israel-Palestine peace process, since he thinks it’s hopeless. The Israelis need to find a better leader. These people with no vision for the future are a bit tiring.
Justice22 over 11 years ago
At least he hasn’t given the Arabs “smart bombs” like GW did.
Chillbilly over 11 years ago
ATTN neocon posters: the IDF will accept you into their ranks. Please feel free to protect the country you’re more loyal to than the USA without using my tax dollars to do so.
charliekane over 11 years ago
And now, the point of view of an intelligent conservative, George Will: I really do not think it’s fair to fault the president for ‘throwing Israel under the bus,’ as they say,” Will said on ABC’s This Week, quoting a criticism of Obama leveled by Mitt Romney. “Granted, he has a bad relationship with my good friend Netanyahu, but the relationships between the U.S. military and the Israeli military, which is 98 percent of the point of this relationship, are quite good
And for a reality check, what does Bibi say?:Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pressured the U.S. to define a “red line” for retaliation against Iran’s nuclear program. However, on Sunday, Netanyahu said that he and Obama have a “close” relationship and that he does not doubt the president’s support.Expose yer heads t’ th’ sunshine, laddies!
disgustedtaxpayer over 11 years ago
Obama’s shameful snubs and insults to Israel’s PM are piling up….a monument to a deceptive “foreign policy” that since day one in office has favored Israel’s enemies.-no wonder God is removing his protective hedge from America.no wonder our enemies are exposing the weakness of “hope and change” being done by Obama, dismantling our free enterprise system and trampling on religious rights and freedoms by legislation forced on citizens; and O’s Appeasement and Apology and disarmament policies including unilateral reduction of nuclear, cuts in defense and numbers of military people. We need a New Change to replace Obama, IMO.
Tempus Fugit Premium Member over 11 years ago
Yet once again a conservative blithely ignores Romney foot in mouth disease.
Kylop over 11 years ago
“… God is removing his protective hedge from America …”Hedge? “You must bring us a… Shrubbery!” was a religious statement?
oneoldhat over 11 years ago
it is a smart move by bho to force isreal to attack iran in october to help his reelection
sw10mm over 11 years ago
Why are liberals so hungry to destroy the us and all of its allies?
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Netanyahu’s "people’ are less than 2% of our population. Exactly why do they influence 99% of our “foreign policy”?? That is NOT a “slam” or “insult”, it is merely STATISTICS. Maybe we should pay more attention to NOT bombing folks from a population of 1.5 BILLION and waging “crusade” which is just another word for “jihad”??
petergrt over 11 years ago
.As if it were prudent or diplomatic to say something less flattering of 0bama . . . . ." . . . the relationships between the U.S. military and the Israeli military, which is 98 percent of the point of this relationship, are quite good . . . ".So, the technocrats get along – big surprise . . . ., who is the Commander in Chief of the US military? You know the one that gives out the real orders that matter?
ennui_rudy over 11 years ago
Blame a god or flip a coin, what’s the difference? The neocons want to go to war because their god is different then the other guys god. What nonsense when the only winner is Haliburton again. Stick each of your gods where the sun don’t shine.
disgustedtaxpayer over 11 years ago
I just read an editorial from a D.C. newspaper that compares Obama’s mistreatment of Israel’s PM to the way Britain treated Czechoslovakia when Hitler was preparing to invade….Chamberlain threw the Czechs “under the bus”…and Obama seems to be repeating the process with Israel.
disgustedtaxpayer over 11 years ago
I am a conservative in politics and a Christian by the new birth of the spirit….I am not a “war-monger”….I merely believe that my country and Israel must do what is necessary to survive as the nations that God helped establish and blesses by restraining our enemies. Islamic Jihad declared war on the USA in 1979 and it continues. Arabs and Muslims declared extermination wars against Israel beginning in 1948.Even the secular UN upholds national defense for nations.
lonecat over 11 years ago
It’s fascinating to see these armchair generals be so bloodthirsty. Hey, guys, war kills people. Sometimes lots and lots, including little kids who haven’t done anything wrong. War should be the very last thing you do, if everything else fails. It’s not at all clear that everything else has failed here. I’m just as worried as can be about an Iranian bomb, but I see that as part of a larger problem, which is the general proliferation of nuclear weapons. One step in the right direction might be a nuclear free zone in the Middle East — let’s see how fast Israel would agree to that.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
“God” didn’t create Israel, the United Nations did. period.
derlehrer over 11 years ago
“Have you even LOOKED at the ever growing list of people that want to kill us?” Have you even CONSIDERED why there would be a list and why it would be growing? If you haven’t, then you are not very introspective and are poorly equipped to comment on others’ motives.-———————————————————-
derlehrer over 11 years ago
Is your god so weak that he needs human help to keep Israel alive?-——————————————————
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
I’m waiting for Iran, and Israel, to both elect governments NOT CONTROLLED by “right-wingnuts” driven by religious crazies.
corzak over 11 years ago
[Obama] refused to move the embassy to Israels capitol.NO nation officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital. The city hosts NO foreign embassies. This is because the status of Jerusalem is one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. If there’s EVER to be a permanent peace, the status of West and East Jerusalem must be resolved first.[Obama] put the muslim brotherhood in charge of Egypt and Libya.No. Democratic elections did that. Democracy. Elections. You may not like who won, but you’re not voting. In Egypt, however, a case can be made that the military is still in charge.Daily missle and mortor attacks on Israel.And the Israelis retaliate in force. The solution is peace. The Two State solution. At the moment, Netanyahu can’t do anything on this. He’s politically restricted by his ‘base’ – the religious extremists of the Settler Movement.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violenceGiving the Egyptian military over a billion dollars a year.No, we give Egypt TWO billion a year. And we give Israel THREE billion a year. And we’ve been doing so for over 30 years. These were the conditions of the Camp David Accord of 1978, which turned Egypt from Israel’s greatest enemy into an ally.I believe in a three state solution. Give Gaza to Egypt. Give what remains of the west bank to Jordan.That was the situation 50 years ago, but neither the Jordanians, nor the Egyptians, nor the Palestinians, not the Israelis themselves would agree to it now.Give 48 hours for the muslims to leave Israel proper.That would mean force marching more than 20% of Israel’s citizens, out of their property, in violation of the Israeli constitution and international law to . . . where?And if anyone attacks you, kill them all.I’ve got a better idea. Why don’t you move to Syria? Keep you busy.
disgustedtaxpayer over 11 years ago
Canuck, you demonstrate your total ignorance of the God of the Bible, who ordained national human governments and gave Adam’s race free will, and God allows human free will to operate, intervening only in rare and special cases and situations. God sometimes does His will through men; using Kings of Babylon to take captive disobedient Israel for 70 years, and then bringing the Jews back to the Promised Land to do a better job of obeying God’s Law.- God can use the USA to help Israel survive, and the USA has been blessed for being friend and ally since 1948. Even if leaders like Obama sell out Israel, God will keep Israel intact until Jesus their Messiah returns to do Armageddon and stop the anti-christ’s world army when it invades Palestine. But if America stops helping Israel, God’s blessings to us will stop.The Bible clearly teaches that Israel is an everlasting nation and earth will exist forever. Best for any human is to choose God’s side….it is Satan’s puppets that do harm to Israel and to Christians.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Sorry, but as tragic, and real, as it was, the “holocaust”, where half the victims were Jewish, is “get over it and move on”. It is time to stop risking the lives of hundreds of millions, in fact, billions of people, based on mythology concerning less than 20 million. It’s time to realize that Mobile, Alabama, Juneau, Alaska, Los Angeles, and Rio in Brazil, and Joplin, Mo., are just as important to the world as Jerusalem.
Sectarian personal behaviors should not dictate to secular governments, anywhere, it’s time for the religious hatred, from ALL SIDES to stop, and yes, get over it and move on.
sw10mm over 11 years ago
“The Bible clearly teaches that Israel is an everlasting nation and earth will exist forever.” Really? Israel was established in 1948, a couple to several thousand years after the events depicted in “the” Bible..If you’re going to quote the Bible, you should do a little more research so that you don’t come off sounding completely uninformed. Here’s a hint, start with Israel.
derlehrer over 11 years ago
And for you to not share the earth is to invite the wrath of Zeus’ son, Apollo.
(Oooh, you are SO going to Hades.)_____________
derlehrer over 11 years ago
Um, I didn’t quote the Bible.-————————————————————-Here’s another example of some folks getting confused because they can’t recognize a poster’s quoting from another post and the current comments. Some folks need all the help they can get! (I’m not referring to you, Eryx.)
Ketira over 11 years ago
I’d say something but there is so much hatred flying around this topic that my words would get twisted against me in five minutes. So if you want to know – Tweet me (but tell me that I met you here under the name you’re using here, or I’m liable to block you).
derlehrer over 11 years ago
What were you, eight in 2003?-———————————————————————Amazing! I was thinking the same thing! (I try to read all current posts before I add a comment, in order not to duplicate others’ thoughts – you expressed my thinking exactly!!) Hell, I’ve said all along that the U.N. inspectors should have stood their ground, refused to leave, continued their job – and then awaited the next move of King George II to see what he would have done. Can you imagine bombing the U.N. inspectors?
derlehrer over 11 years ago
Obama has openly thrown Israel under the bus….-———————————————————-
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
^GHW Bush supported the Kurds in ‘91, but NOT the Shia in the south, who might just have overthrown Saddam for us. Bush feared they might gain power, which they now have, two decades delayed. Ask those in the “camps” in Lebanon, or Gaza, or West Bank about the “peaceful” nature of Likud and the right-wing in Israel, nope, can’t ask dead people.
Netanyahu now wants the U.S. to make MORE “dead people” for him and his radical view. It is time to tell him NO!
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
asked, “So are you saying the Kurds gassed themselves?”No, they were gassed 15 years before 2003, in 1988. After the 1st Gulf war in ‘91, most of Iraq’s WMDs were dismantled or decommissioned. This was on-going right until a few days before the 2nd Gulf war. After the invasion of Iraq, no further WMDs were found.By the way, the tech know-how and resources for chemical weapons in order to gas the Kurds…supplied by a number of European, Asian, Middle-Eastern and, correct, the U. S. of A. Well done.
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
Oh, ffs.If you look carefully, the tooth-fairy slipped you another under the pillow.