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   HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

   (silent)

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   Anthony 2816 said, 11 months ago

   Why is it that the most intolerant people are the ones that demand the most tolerance?

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   fennec said, 11 months ago

   Seems to me that many of the evangelicals would be happier people if they focussed more on the life of Jesus and his message of service to mankind and less on the death of Jesus and their own salvation.

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   HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

   fennec, Beautifully stated :o)

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   Tigger said, 11 months ago

   They only throw shoes at Bush

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   oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

   Humphries, please confirm some thin I copied from the comics strips side.
   Has anyone attempted to see what “Department of Homeland Security” translates as in German?
   If we substitute “police” for security, it becomes “Geheim Stadt Polizei” (uncompounded word–actual German is “Geheimstadtpolizei”), of which the abbreviated version is the rather infamous “Gestapo”.

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   fennec said, 11 months ago

   Gestapo translates to Secret State Police. However KBG, according to my Russian-speaking colleagues, does stand for the equivalent of Dept. of Homeland Security.

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   HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

   Old 71, believe it or not it’s not discussed a “whole lot” here, past or present.If fennec has an aquaintence in the states with first hand info then he probably has a better view.Even now state security is left up to the government with a very low profile and the public considers a good portion of news coming out of the US on terrorism is for political purposes.

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   NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

   For the tolerant and curious, on the necessity of Christ’s death and the supremacy of the resurrection check John 1:29, Romans 3:25, 1 Corinthians 15:15-25 ; and the surrounding contexts. See what would qualify as a false witness. And see my comments here:
   http://www.gocomics.com/jimmorin/2008/12/24/

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    HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

    NoFear… to each his own. Ill take my chances in doing what I think is right and let the final authority be the judge. PS Since you’re fond of quotes read Matthew 23:1-12

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    retread2 said, 11 months ago

    In Russian it’s KGB, not KBG. It stands for Committee for State Security. Komitat Gosudarsvennoj Bezopasnosti, (If I remember correctly - I haven’t used Russian in fifty years).

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    fennec said, 11 months ago

    Yeah, you’re right it’s KGB, retread…It was getting late and my brain was not in high gear. My colleague’s translation was based on her reading of both names…to one brought up in the old USSR, they sounded too similar for comfort.

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    NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

    I love bible quotes! The original hyper-links! I’ve picked out one just for you, Humph-Hebrews 12:18-28 Consider it a late Christmas gift….(P.S. I dont wear phylacteries nor tassels though I get your meaning; and my NIV Study Bible text note further says “23:15 Jesus does not criticize the Pharisees for their evangelistic zeal. He objects to its results.”)

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    HUMPHRIES said, 10 months ago

    puppy, have fun in your very own little world.

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    Trogon2 said, 10 months ago

    Religion divides, always has, always will. Give it up, its all in your minds anyway. The truth will set you free.

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    oldlegodad said, 10 months ago

    Trogon2 says:
    The truth will set you free.

    Sounds very New Testament to me Trog li dite.

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    VermilionSparrow said, 10 months ago

    I can’t help but notice that ScaredPuppy’s quotes are all from the writing of Paul, nothing attributed to Christ himself. And on a lot of subjects, you’d be hard pressed to find more divergent viewpoints.

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    fennec said, 10 months ago

    Very interesting point, VS. I too have often had trouble with the Pauline view as opposed to that of Jesus…I MUCH prefer the teachings of Jesus.

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    NoFearPup said, 10 months ago

    FenneC and VermillionSparrow I accept the Pauline Epistles as canon - I believe most Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church does the same. Do you disbelieve that Paul was appointed Apostle to the Gentilles and that he was affirmed so through the witness of the Spirit and by the demonstration of miracles of God?

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    VermilionSparrow said, 10 months ago

    @NoFearPup: Well, yes, Paul was appointed missionary to the Gentiles and all that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean his message is the same as the message of Christ himself. The distortion of Christ’s original message over the years happened in small steps, beginning with Paul and ending in the many splintered factions we have today.
     
    Paul does have some important things to say, but I think nothing vital to the meaning of the New Covenant is lost if you throw out Paul’s teachings altogether. But of course, I’m a heretic for saying that, since all of modern Christian doctrine, Protestant and Catholic, is based almost exclusively on Paul’s teachings.

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    NoFearPup said, 10 months ago

    V.S. I am a member of the Church of the Nazarene and we believe in the inerrantcy of scripture (the accepted Protestant Canon) and that it contains no major contradictions. A good book on this subject is How We Got The Bible by Neil R. Lightfoot , I’ve seen it available in all the major chain book stores around here in St.Louis.

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    Anthony 2816 said, 10 months ago

    NoFearPup: No “major” contradictions? But a perfect god-inspired text can have minor contradictions, right?

    Like day and night occurring prior to the creation of the sun and moon?

    May, you sure have what it takes to be a fundie christian: The ability to lie not only to others, but to yourself.

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    NoFearPup said, 10 months ago

    Anthony are you seeking the Lord? for that is the hope of all believers to lead others to Christ - and I will gladly help you in any way I can, but bear in mind I am not an ordained minister and all answers and info I give you are what I believe and have learned on my own as a follower of Christ. I would wholeheartedly suggest that you seek out a Bible-believing Church in your area ( I go to a Church of the Nazarene denominational church).

    You make an excellent observation about night and day existing before earth and sun; but, consider Colossians 1:15-17 Where Christ is portrayed as “…before all things…” and “all things” as being held “together in Him.” See also Hebrews 1:10. I would also suggest that Light and Darkness have a spiritual meaning beyond just the presence or lack of light energy, and ultimately understandable fully in the context of an all-powerful Creator.

    Also, somewhere the bible says “He works all things (good and bad) towards the good of those who believe in Him”; I include this as a direct statement of bad(flawed?) things being turned to His use. And I also suggest that, in example, if you look in my previous post I mis-spelled “inerrancy” -now you probalby figured out what I meant- Would God have to supernaturally correct that post for you to be convinced that I was telling you the truth about God? You understood it anyway. It might be better if you took this issue up with a more knowledgeable believer, but having said that , I think this would qualify as the error of “presumption” which I would compare with Christ being tempted in the wilderness by Satan to throw Himself off the Temple roof as a “test” of His Godhood. Jesus rebuked satan and recited Deuteronomy 6:16 “do not put the Lord to the test.”(Matthew 4:7) God does indeed use flawed men to do His will of which you will not find one in-fallible example in all the Bible except Jesus Himself. I hope that helps you Anthony!

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    VermilionSparrow said, 10 months ago

    @NoFearPup: I’ve gone to churches of many different denominations in my time, all of whom, if they have any dogma at all, believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.
     
    However, in my personal studies, I have come to the conclusion that divine inspiration does not always entail infallibility. It would be inconsistent not to apply this to Scripture as well.
     
    One example of this is that sometimes I feel like Paul is describing a different Deity than Christ does. Some would also say that Christ describes a different Deity than the YHWH of the Torah, and there may be a case to be made there. I haven’t studied that as closely just yet.

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    NoFearPup said, 10 months ago

    Vermillion Sparrow, sorry about the delay…
    I have found the doctrines in the Bible to be internally consistent as well as the substance of the Deity portrayed in the eras and sections mentioned consistent as well…

    Starting with John 14:9 after Philip asks Jesus to “show us the Father” and that would be enough - Jesus says “…he who has seen Me has seen the Father…” (John 14:8-15 - larger context). Thus equating Himself and His ministry in some way with the “Father”.

    Next we can see Paul making two points that I want to relate in his Epistles. Remember that Paul was entirely contemporaneous with the other Apostles mentioned in the Gospels. First he says of Jesus “And He is the image of the invisible God the first-born of all Creation.” See Colossians 1:15. And further that this Deity is He “who…dwells in unapproachable light.” See 1Timothy6:13-16).

    We see the “unapproachable”aspect of God mentioned back in Exodus33:20, where - after Moses asks to see His Glory - God tells Moses essentially, [Okay,but…] “…You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!” See Exodus 33:18-20.

    So we see a God depicted in both Testaments that is without sin and unapproachable by Mankind under almost all circumstances and specifically, in the New Testament, a Son who is His exact representation on Earth. We cannot see God because he is so Holy as to be fatal to us if we saw Him. Think how light which is so beneficial to us would nonetheless consume us visually and bodily if we look at or approached its source (the Sun), respectively. This is a worldly example I give on my own.

    If I’ve left out anything important I might add to this later…