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Chip Bok

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  1. SoftwareSamurai

    SoftwareSamurai said, 5 months ago

    If America were to use sick African people as medical guinea pigs to test an experimental ebola serum, would that be morally acceptable?

  2. masterskrain

    masterskrain GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    Big Pharma has to be sure that it costs something like $25.000 a dose, and THEN it will be “Readily Available”!!

  3. Tax Man

    Tax Man said, 5 months ago

    It amazes me to hear lefties blame everything on corporations. I. Wonder how many stocks are in masterskrain’s retirement account.

  4. Tax Man

    Tax Man said, 5 months ago

    It is the FDA that puts the rules in place. It is the rules and the redundancy that drives up the cost. But we can’t blame the government.

  5. snarky39

    snarky39 said, 5 months ago

    @Tax Man

    None. He’s relying on you to pay for his retirement.

  6. denis1112

    denis1112 said, 5 months ago

    @masterskrain

    After the cost of developing the drug is recovered,the price drops dramatically.
    Take Prilosec for instance.Cheap now,expensive when it first became available.

  7. eugene57

    eugene57 said, 5 months ago

    @denis1112

    “Take Prilosec for instance.Cheap now,expensive when it first became available.”
    Cheap because the patent protections ran out, etc. It is no longer promoted by Pharm. salespeople to Doctors.

  8. wmconelly

    wmconelly said, 5 months ago

    First the tried and the true, then the experimental, then Steve McQueen is off to Mexico to inject oil of apricot pits.
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    Having science-based government oversight in the ‘free market’ makes way more sense than NO oversight, or monopoly-profit oversight. If Bok wants to experiment with human life, he should start with himself.
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    Need we point out that Ayn Rand enjoyed Social Security?

  9. Northern Redman

    Northern Redman said, 5 months ago

    @eugene57

    Which is why companies price their drugs high enough to recover all of their development costs before the patent runs out. If you are not planning on making money, why would you start a business?

  10. TripleAxel

    TripleAxel said, 5 months ago

    Tax Man said: “It is the FDA that puts the rules in place. It is the rules and the redundancy that drives up the cost. But we can’t blame the government.”

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    Too true, Tax Man. It would be inappropriate to blame the government in every case but we should always be aware of the unintended consequences of government rules and should always be on the lookout for ways and opportunities to hold the government accountable for its performance. Excusing the government from responsibility does it, and us, no favors.

  11. Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished." GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    P.S.

    All the redacted claiming over-regulation are welcome to go to Somalia, or China, where you can buy “medicine” from the local herbalist. Have a nice death.

  12. warjoski

    warjoski GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @wmconelly

    Need we point out we paid Ayn Rand Social Security?

    It’s interesting to look back at the controversy around various AIDS drugs back in the day. When they were first brought forward, many AIDS victims were willing to try them before the drugs had received FDA approval. Certain portions of the Left were pushing the FDA to speed up approval back then ( http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/11/science/fda-pressed-to-approve-more-aids-drugs.html ).

    If the person with Ebola wants to try an experimental drug, I say let them. It’s their life. They should have some say in the matter.

  13. MangeyMoose

    MangeyMoose said, 5 months ago

    @Tax Man

    “It amazes me to hear lefties blame everything on corporations”

    Because the righties blame everything on Obama (and Hillary, and Jimmy,…).

  14. trm

    trm said, 5 months ago

    @MangeyMoose

    So the reason you blame everything on corporations is not because you can articulate any particularly logical argument, but because the right supposedly blames everything on Obama? Can’t say I’m terribly surprised.

  15. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, 5 months ago

    So many good points. Let me add one: the advertising of medications to the public. If I was in charge, that would be made illegal as one of my first acts.

    The fact that an ad tells you that a medication makes your problems better in no way makes that ad correct. Diet and exercise will often make high blood pressure reduce or even disappear. Sure, there are meds, but they cost, and have side effects. But the pharmaceutical companies are pushing their pills, and they know that doctors might suggest non-medication methods first. So they go direct to the public: “Tell your doctor you demand this product, because you’ve done 30 seconds of TV research, and you know what you need.”

    Horse hockey.

    Also, consider what this does to the cost of meds. How much does it cost for thirty seconds on the Super Bowl? You pay for that. Even if your prescription is not the one advertised, it’s made by the same people who advertise the drug. You pay for it. More than once. This is one good reason why the same drugs cost less in other countries.

    There was a study I read where doctors were interviewed about their prescribing methods. Those doctors who prescribed whatever their patients asked for were asked why they did so. The most repeated answer, by far, was that it would take too long to make the patient understand why the request was not legitimate. This casts a pall on the current state of health “care” in this country, but it is inter-related.

    The model for healthcare delivery in this country is doomed to failure. Obamacare has taken some of the egregious issues out of the mainstream, like the exclusion for pre-existing conditions, but it is only a bandage and not a cure.

    There are other factors, due mostly to lobbying. The first draft of Medicare part D (the drug plan) was that the government subcontractors (private insurance companies) were required to negotiate the lowest possible drug cost, and those savings were required to be passed on to the patient. The final bill stated that those savings were SUGGESTED to be passed along to the patient. In other words, buy as cheap as you can, but charge what you want.

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