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  1. Magnaut

    Magnaut GoComics PRO Member said, about 3 years ago

    DesPotus……… Despot US

  2. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 3 years ago

    Her insurance company’s bill’s insert on healthy lifestyles suggested raw twigs for breakfast as “a great source of natural fiber”. Sadly, digestive splinter surgery is not a covered service.

  3. mikefive

    mikefive said, about 3 years ago

    If I heard the news correctly this morning, the House just passed a bill reinstating parts of the old health insurance systems. It sounded like a bill that would make a bigger mess out of the mess we already have.

  4. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 3 years ago


    When your foundation is sand, it does no good to change the location of the kitchen or the type of flooring in the den.

    Trying to “fix” the previous system is proof of that. Trying to fix the “fix” will not end well.

    Single payer, single payer.

  5. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, about 3 years ago

    As usual, the government addresses a problem by “banning” something. The first question is what gives them the right to tell anyone what they can or can not eat?

    I’m sure that you will say that it will lower the cost of health care. No, it won’t. As long as we rely on a third party (insurance companies or government) to regulate who pays and how much, health care costs will stay up. Big money to be made is never done away with by bureaucrats.

    And really are all trans fats bad for you?

    Maybe not. But ban them we must to protect the children LOL

    Oh I eat healthy as best I can. I do NOT need government telling me what I can or can not do at the dinner table. Or in my bedroom for that matter.

    (groan) I need to buy a farm…………………..yep

  6. hippogriff

    hippogriff said, about 3 years ago

    I had tree bark last night – cinnamon raisin toast.

  7. PianoGuy24

    PianoGuy24 GoComics PRO Member said, about 3 years ago

    REPEAL Obamacare! REPEAL Obamacare!REPEAL Obamacare!
    Besides, the way Obama is doing it is AGAINST the Constitution. He doesn’t have the authority to change it the way he has been.

  8. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 3 years ago

    I am sorry that your relatives have had bad results. I submit that the system we have here in the US has its fair share of bad results as well. There are inept doctors in every style of health care system and in most every locality. The people who administer the programs just put words in the doctor’s contract to the effect that the doctor will not be incompetent. The doctor signs and all is well.

    The Death Panel idea is an intentional misrepresentation which has worked to confuse the public much better than I would have expected. (Repeat a lie often enough, and it often seems to become truth.) EVERY system has to have limits as to what it covers and what it doesn’t. There will always be someone who will make the decision as to what treatments will be paid for and which will not. If that’s a death panel, it is unavoidable, regardless of what system it is in. I will say, though, that human nature suggests that more treatments and doctor consultations will be denied in a system wherein people are monetarily rewarded for finding ways to deny coverage (the current for-profit insurance system) than in a system where this behavior is not encouraged. This is not to say that there shouldn’t be someone watching for fraud and improper billing. I’m talking about the cases where the insurance company says, ‘We aren’t saying the patient shouldn’t have this treatment. We’re just saying we ain’t paying for it."

    We get similar results in this country at a much higher cost.

    I am willing to admit that, despite my 30+ years as a doctor, I might be wrong about the best health care plan. Feel free to come up with a better one and I’ll jump on your bandwagon, but in my experience the system that Obamacare replaces is on the verge of final collapse. Obamacare will buy us time to come up with a better one, because it will collapse, as well, with time. Of all the systems I have researched, and I have done plenty, single payer has the best chance of providing good care at reasonable cost for the most people. It also forces everyone to pull their weight, eliminating the “I don’t want to have to pay care of lazy bums” meme that is so popular these days.

  9. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 3 years ago

    Thanks for calling me “pal”. Haven’t heard that one in years. Cool.

  10. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, about 3 years ago


    “(groan) I need to buy a farm…………………..yep”

    You’re pretty much right – the thing is, people are being poisoned by industry’s ‘right’ to poison us, if they can make more money poisoning us than feeding us. They can – they can even scratch their fellow’s backs by sending us all to Corporate Health Care, having ingested their toxic diet.

    I agree that the government should not outlaw products at consumer level. They certainly are taking our money, supposedly, to regulate the excesses of industry, including industry’s right to corrupt our food and health care. What they should be doing is curbing industry’s ‘right’ to sell us anything that will fill their pockets.

    I don’t use trans fats, period. I also haven’t (knowingly) eaten corn, soy, beet sugar, canola, or any other crop which is routinely being drenched with herbicides which are toxic to mammals. That would include us.

    Unfortunately – the price of healthy, clean food is prohibitive. I’d leave the twigs and leaves alone, though, because we are now growing pesticidal trees, and low lignin trees, and only the gods know what is being dumped on them.

    I think it would also be appropriate for a government which keeps screaming about an obesity epidemic to address that by regulating the destruction of nutrition by reducing sound food to empty calories. Have you ever considered how many tons of potatoes, corn, now tomatoes, peppers and other produce are being turned into useless, unhealthy junkfood? They are projecting food shortages. Wouldn’t the best way to deal with that be to force the food processing industries to stop wasting food?

    I don’t recall anything in the Constitution which permits poisoning or otherwise compromising the country’s food security in the name of corporate (or any other) profit. Most cultures consider poisoners of wells to be unretrievable criminals.

    What kind of culture protects its wholesale poisoners?

  11. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, about 3 years ago

    “i think if we the customer were the only payer with say health accounts, would be a much easier solution. It also does not require any lies to bring down and bankrupt what we already have.”

    Harley, no one is looking at bankruptcy except patients, and maybe a few doctors. The industry is doing very well with this, and loving every minute of it.

    Agree, though, that no patch is going to do anything good for it. It is what it is – a gift to the insurers, when we were promised reformed coverage, actual access to care.

    The insurers never agreed to anything like this, nor will they ever. It was the insurers who went back on the agreement, if they ever agreed to anything. If anyone lies, it is the insurance industry, from the Marine insurers right down to health care and homeowners and auto. Their position is to take money, not pay it out, unless their back is to the wall.

    Single payer is the most efficient and cost effective way to manage health insurance. Since single payer doesn’t offer the insurers, BigPharma, the hospital industries – to make obscene profits off the ill and dying, there is no political support for it. That’s what it comes to. They aren’t willing to settle for a reasonable profit, it’s all or nothing for them, and our government has been complicit in their abuses for many decades. Both parties have enthusiastically supported industry’s right to exploit the population in any way they can dream up.

    Clearly you disagree with this position, but seriously, Harley, don’t get sick, and pray nothing goes wrong with your cash flow. It only takes one illness, or auto accident, or other untoward incident to educate you beyond any educational ambition you have ever held.

    Sadly, that kind of education generally comes too late to be useful.

  12. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 3 years ago

    “i think if we the customer were the only payer with say health accounts, would be a much easier solution.”

    Are you talking about health savings accounts? If so, I’m for it. I just know human nature. You might keep one, I might keep one, but we know that many people will just gamble that they won’t need that money put aside…..until they really need it, and then we’re back to the people who plan having to pick up the tab for the people who don’t. I don’t know about you, but I’m tiring of that system.

    It’s ideal on paper, but only if everyone….and I mean everyone….is willing to play along. I don’t have that faith in humanity.

  13. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, about 3 years ago

    @I Play One On TV

    “Of all the systems I have researched, and I have done plenty, single payer has the best chance of providing good care at reasonable cost for the most people. It also forces everyone to pull their weight, eliminating the “I don’t want to have to pay care of lazy bums” meme that is so popular these days.”

    You see the thing from a different perspective – thank you for being so generous with your thoughts and opinions.

    Patients see a different aspect, and often don’t speak up when they need to. Reasons vary, but often it is a kind of mild kind of intimidation, rarely intended by the doctor.

    I have been seven years with no medical care, apart from a couple of OOP visits to my practitioner in the interest of better managing my glucose issues. He took early retirement a few years ago, in despair, I suspect, though he didn’t say so. I’m finding, on qualifying for Medicare, that this hiatus makes me effectively untreatable from the insurer’s point of view, not because of any pre-existing condition, but because there are no records. On chasing records, what do I discover? They purge records every ten years. That let’s them off the hook nicely, doesn’t it?

    I found a new doctor, for whom I feel deeply sorry, since he is picking up a fairly complex medical history (OSA, obesity issues, cancer and the side effects of those treatments), with very little background. He is, I believe, even a better doctor than I thought when I sent first my husband and then my best friend to him, and he assured me that in order to continue my glucose management (drug free), I would NOT have to drive my glucose back into the lethal range in order to continue testing. I’ve lost 85 pounds in about four years, through diet and testing, and he supports that, but Medicare and the insurers are stonewalling him. They are refusing to pay for my testing tabs – but I received a newsletter the same week from my medical facility, to announce that Medicare would pay up to $25k for my weight loss surgery. But they won’t pay for my tabs, to keep me out of the operating theatre.

    I don’t know what the ‘best’ plan would be either. What I hear from friends and family in Canada and the UK and the EU seems pretty workable to me. On the same weekend, my Canadian uncle and I both had an ER visit re acid reflux. My uncle was treated, and scheduled for a cardiology consult (he’s in his 80s) within 36 hours, no charge to him.

    My visit enlightened me as to my glucose issues, and cost us $4k. Zero treatment, zero recommendations.

    Single payer may not be perfect, but my guess is that system is better than one run by the insurers, wholly backed by government.

    This ‘health care’ system, so called, has nothing to do with health care at all. It’s all about generating profit, patients take the hindmost.

  14. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, about 3 years ago

    “On TV? I guess you also like the death panel option too. Well I love my Grandma and appreciate the fact that she’s with us to see her Great-Grandchildren pal.”
    Everywhere industrial medicine is practised – or any other kind, I’m sure – there are a few bum doctors. We have them here, too – but the list of people abused by physicians in my personal knowledge goes well beyond a few family members. If you want family members, though, you can have both my parents. So far they have not managed to kill me or my friends or siblings, but that is pure blind luck.
    What I don’t hear out of Canada, the UK or Australia (or the EU) is people arbitrarily denied treatment or medication because they are the wrong gender, or they don’t like the way the diagnosis was made, or any of a host of other offenses against humanity, medical science, biology or common sense. That’s what you get when you have bureaucrats and insurance clerks with fourth grade educations rubber stamping medical decisions made by doctors who aren’t competent enough to survive private practise.
    Yes, there are doctors who should not be permitted to practise on patients. We had one in the US a few years ago who had killed a lot of patients in Australia, and came here and killed a lot more. I think they finally succeeded in indicting and convicting him, and pulling his license.
    It is more than reasonable to demand that incompetent doctors be deprived of the privilige of practising, but doctors, like industry, perceive they can do no wrong.
    There aren’t many criminal incompetents, fortunately, but they exist in all systems. We have no oversight of doctors, and as long as we don’t force people to continue to see a doctor they don’t like, we can probably afford to continue that.
    Oh .. I forgot. In this system, trying to switch doctors can be a formidable project. There’s a need we could fill right there – put a stop to this nonsense that lets insurers force us to keep seeing the doctor we’re seeing, however destructive his treatment may prove.
    Ten years ago, I was told by an oncology nurse that I ‘must be my own advocate’. This proved nothing but the unvarnished truth. It also freed me of the deeply ingrained convention that ‘doctors know best’. Some of them do, but all of them don’t. Some can be worked with, some cannot. If your doctor isn’t supporting your health needs, you need a new doctor.
    A system which makes that change difficult is a bad one. It forces people to use doctors which might not suit them – or might be dangerous. But the system which fosters the most abuse is not single payer systems, it’s ours.

  15. sclark55

    sclark55 GoComics PRO Member said, about 3 years ago

    Nope – he’s in charge of your health, so he can – and will – dictate what you’ll eat.

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