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  1. Mephistopholes

    Mephistopholes GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Well said MStevenson – Even the global warming alarmists have been distancing themselves from the UN study because it is so full of junk science and unsubstantiated claims that they don’t want their names associated with it.

    The sky is not falling.

  2. Overtaxed

    Overtaxed GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Didn’t Algore and the global warming kooks predict New York city being constantly under 20 feet of water by 2012? No more winters in the Midwest? Cessation of rainfall? This is what happens when you believe in junk science. You end up looking like the fool to normal people. Trouble is, almost all of the believers still believe and have the ear of the loser media and socialist governments. The only thing that changes are the predictions when those predictions don’t come true. These same idiots back in the 1970’s predicted Chicago being under a mile of ice by 2000 due to a new ice age based on junk science. At least they have one consistency. They always believe in junk science.
    .
    What is junk science? Step 1: Declare the desired outcome. Step 2: Gather data. Step 3. Feed data into a computer model created by faulty programmers. Step 4: Discard any data which is causing the computer model’s end result to conflict with Step 1. Step 5: Go public with the computer model’s results while quietly destroying the discarded data.

  3. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 6 months ago

    @Mephistopholes

    You and MStevenson are making things up — or talking to each other instead of to real scientists (well, that’s obvious). The IPCC study has been shown to be consistently conservative in its estimates of the progression of global warming.
    http://ncse.com/blog/2013/09/ipcc-reports-are-lagging-indicators-science-0015082
    In a study of 2100 actual climate science research papers, 97.1% of those papers which expressed a view said that global warming is happening (that’s a given these days) AND that humans were a primary cause. Many of the papers expressed no view on this point explicitly, but when they asked the authors they got almost precisely the same number (97.2%):
    http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article
    If you are watching FoxNews, or indeed other outlets of mainstream media such as CBS, you may feel the nonexistent “debate” is more equal. That’s because they don’t present anything like a balanced set of talking heads on the subject. On FoxNews, 69% of people talking about climate change doubt AGW, as opposed to 3% among actual climate scientists. and 77% of those people speaking against AGW on Fox have NO CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER to even discuss it.
    http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/10/study-media-sowed-doubt-in-coverage-of-un-clima/196387
    Good luck supporting YOUR views. You’re way, way outnumbered.

  4. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Here is what I have been kicking around trying to work out. If one would start at the start. Weather is but how much sun reaches the Earth while it wobbles around the Sun. The uneven heating and cooling is what drives our weather. It is just that simple. The 1# factor in weather, the greenhouse gas H2O. In a given week the low and high is a matter of how much sun gets to the earth and when. Sunny day over cast night is warm, or Overcast day to non overcast night is cold. I have seen temperature fluctuation 10-15 degrees in this way from day to day.
    So the global Alarmist add and subtract all these fluctuations together and come up with man bad, pay over there. And People like Al Gory and his sci fi special effect horror flic get dynamite peace prizes. that some how legitimizes his hockey stick graphs, that have been proven wrong. but that does not matter he has already cashed out of the carbon shake down racket.
    But hey what ever it takes for a good little loony liberal to feel better. The sky is falling, but I paid off this guy so i I feel better and it is not my fault.

  5. lonecat

    lonecat said, 6 months ago

    I don’t have expertise in any of the sciences connected to climate, so I don’t feel that my opinion on the topic is worth much. I do, however, have expertise in my own field; I know what it is to really know a field and what it is not to know. Within my own field there are experts with whom I disagree, but I respect their positions, even though I disagree. We can try to work out where the disagreement lies and see if we can come to a better understanding. I also know that there is something like 90% or more agreement within my field; the disagreements are interesting, but they sit on a very large consensus. But when people who really don’t have the slightest idea what counts as knowledge in my field make grand pronouncements full of ignorance and misinformation say really stupid stuff, well, I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what they say. And when people who clearly don’t have the slightest understanding of climate science comment on it, I don’t take their comments seriously.

  6. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    @lonecat

    Very well put, lonecat (as usual!). We saw another excellent example of the value of expertise on Toles the other day. That time it was by Doughfoot with reference to American history, an area in which he has been studying and teaching for 30 years. There is really no substitute for deep knowledge of any field which takes time and work.
    “Subject 101” doesn’t come near being adequate for real understanding.

  7. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Hmm: “weather fluctuation”. In my home town the diurnal temperature (cold to hot/night to day) was a fluctuation of over 50 degrees F. yesterday. In my daughter’’s home town near Wellington N.Z., the diurnal fluctuation has only been about 5 degrees F.!!


    The average “denier” I’ve seen post doesn’t have the ability to understand what diurnal fluctuation is, and apparently a thermometer is above their technical skill to operate.


    I only have over 4 decades of experience with both education and applied observation of that knowledge in the fields of biology affected by climate change, and it’s causes, so hey, what the heck would I know?


    Given the geography in my region, the “weather forecasters” have an average accuracy, especially in winter, of about 50%. It’s about those mountain ranges that break up the patterns coming off the Pacific, and create variable microclimates that change with even minor changes in pressures, and wind directions, among other things. But our CLIMATE over the last 60 years has been following a pattern of increased temperature, and decreased rainfall, especially in winter. These changes have been more dynamic than the paleobotany history over the last 6,000 measurable years has shown. Changes that took several hundreds of years (to over 1,000)to occur, have now occurred in in under 100 years, and that isn’t a good sign.

  8. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 6 months ago

    The fools who believe in global warming are taken in by two incredibly foolish false things: data and statistics. Most of us know that data and statistics are just the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus for liberal loonies. Just because regression shows there is a 99.999% certainty that the world is getting warmer, if you’re going to believe in regression, you’ll believe anything.


    (Of course, there are two magic words my old professor said could be used if you’re a climate sceptic, but none of the deniers know or care about those words, nor should they. Everyone who says there IS global warming believes in data and statistics, so we can just ignore them, and we don’t need any magic words.)

  9. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    @dtroutma

    you might have a point if we had day to day actuate weather graphs from around the world going back 1000 years. but we do not. shoot we do not have “accurate” right now. When a survey of the places that “warmed the most” was taken funny things were found. Like a station next to an air conditioning vent, or burning barrel, air plane exhaust, just to name a few off the top of my head.
    My point is still valid. I am to believe the hockey stick graph where all of the sudden the earth will take off with a very bad temperature. We know this because we think the demon CO2 is making it 1 degree hotter each 100 years. then in 30 years it will take off and be 2 or even 5 degrees hotter. But hold on, no real “heating” has happened in the last 20 years since the doom and gloom was predicted… but wait for it…wait for it… It is still man’s sin and to cleanse thy self we must wage war on coal plants in the USA! 98% scrubbers are just not enough! Obama has declared they must go bankrupt so 99% now the new standard! And Obama can declare he was the one that stopped the seas from rising!

  10. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    I visited Thomas Jefferson’s house over the summer. Did you know that in his day all learned men of his day tried to keep very accurate weather records. His porch was set up with this real cool weather vane. Anyway no real pattern was found in the years he kept track. And the difference between him and today’s politicians is that they never blamed man for the weather or climate. Nor did they try to take credit for trying to change it or even claimed they could.

  11. comicsssfan

    comicsssfan said, 6 months ago

    Global warming is going to have to become drastic before most believe it.

  12. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    @comicsssfan

    And at that point the mechanisms of extinction will be well underway. When change is rapid, mass extinctions happen. When change is gradual, adaptation to those changes and evolution can occur. I think the present rate of change is too rapid for any realistic adaptation by H. sapiens.

  13. mdavis4183

    mdavis4183 GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    There’s been no global warming for over a decade. But keep lying.

  14. Stipple

    Stipple said, 6 months ago

    @dtroutma

    “isn’t a good sign”
    If you really have the knowledge base you claim, then you know we are almost 90% through a large extinction event.
    Nothing is going to stop it at this point.
    So why not deny it?
    Your kids, my kids, death is coming sooner rather than later.
    Thinking about it only causes sadness.

  15. cubefarmer

    cubefarmer said, 6 months ago

    Funny how every single one of those alarmist computer models miserably fails the most basic of integrity checks on them, GIGO, or in this case Propaganda In Propaganda Out.

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