Candorville by Darrin Bell

Candorville

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  1. simpsonfan2

    simpsonfan2 said, over 1 year ago

    Yet Congress still gets their pay. Some are refusing it, though a lot are taking it.

  2. Gweedo - It's legal here !!! -  Murray

    Gweedo - It's legal here !!! - Murray GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    The office that issues the congressional checks should stage its own shutdown.

  3. TheSkulker

    TheSkulker GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @simpsonfan2

    Last I heard only about 100 out of the 640(?) congresspersons are not cashing their checks.


    I don’t know if people’s initiatives are in the constitution but this seems like an ideal time to pass a constitutional amendment cutting congressional pay when ever a budget bill is not passed (without any retroactive pay loophole), and also to make their pensions and perks no better than social security.


    IOW, to put them back into the class of representatives of the people instead of thieves from the people!

  4. QuietStorm27

    QuietStorm27 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @TheSkulker

    Very well said!

  5. DavidHuieGreen

    DavidHuieGreen said, over 1 year ago

    @TheSkulker

    You really SHOULD learn what is in the Constitution, it isn’t all that long.
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    and, yes, the people can amend it to rescind our most recent amendment which forbids changing their compensation that way.
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    The better idea would be to elect better people.
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    by the way, do you want just any kind of a budget bill or a balanced budget bill? one which would not require borrowing from places like China to pay expenses?
    (That is our standand procedure and is why they have to keep raising the debt ceiling toward infinity.)

  6. Agingstoner

    Agingstoner said, over 1 year ago

    @simpsonfan2

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-pay-raise-20131009,0,4656587.story

  7. pschearer

    pschearer GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @TheSkulker

    435 (voting) Representatives plus 100 Senators = 535.


    While I agree with the sentiment that government robs the people, you really should get more knowledgeable if you want to be credible.


    Also, “people’s initiatives” are consistent with the democracy the Founding Fathers worked hard to avoid, not with the representative republic they established. Look at California, where a referendum can be used to deny human rights.

  8. Potrzebie

    Potrzebie said, over 1 year ago

    One good thing about the shutdown: The IRS isn’t working!!!

  9. TheSkulker

    TheSkulker GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @DavidHuieGreen

    You really SHOULD learn what is in the Constitution, it isn’t all that long.
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    and, yes, the people can amend it to rescind our most recent amendment which forbids changing their compensation that way.



    No, but including all the amendments it’s not all that short either. (Article V – amendments – is quite short. I’ll give you that.) However, my priority was to post the idea of punishing congress for being so dysfunctional. Since the foxes are not doing a very good job of guarding the hen house the only non-violent thing left was a direct people’s initiative.
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    BTW, the pot should be careful about calling the kettle black:
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    The PEOPLE cannot amend the constitution. Amendment procedures are spelled out in Article V which says ONLY Congress or State legislatures can propose and ratify US Constitution amendments. (Before you nitpick – state and national conventions are called by state legislatures). If you think for one minute that those “representatives” are going to restrict their golden egg I need to start smoking what you’re smoking! These “representatives” represent the 1% only, not the rest of us.
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    Also, the 27 amendment did not forbid changing Congress’ compensation. It only said no change could take effect until the next Congress.
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    “(Ratified May 5, 1992) No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.”


    The better idea would be to elect better people.

    Yeah, right. Good luck with that! From history and the current trend, it does not look good.

  10. DavidHuieGreen

    DavidHuieGreen said, over 1 year ago

    @TheSkulker

    Nope.
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    The state legislatures are HOW the people can do it over the objections of the House and the Senate, assuming we want to. No, it can’t be by mob rule but if enough of the people want it, they can do it.
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    And to the other part, I didn’t say we couldn’t change their pay eventually, just not immediately as you seem to wish. The fact that it happens after an election is based on the idea we can kick out all the House and a third of the Senate.
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    As to your complaint that other Americans keep electing people you don’t like, that’s part of nondictatorships. Sorry if you object.
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    And also, no, the Constitution is still not all that long even if it can’t be tweeted in a single tweet.

  11. TheSkulker

    TheSkulker GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @pschearer

    While I agree with the sentiment that government robs the people, you really should get more knowledgeable if you want to be credible.
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    I hardly think posting a ballpark number labeled as such with a question mark destroys credibility. Whether I had said 540 or 640, the point is the same: the vast majority of congresspersons are cashing their (unearned), paychecks!



    Also, “people’s initiatives” are consistent with the democracy the Founding Fathers worked hard to avoid, not with the representative republic they established. Look at California, where a referendum can be used to deny human rights.
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    Oh? Representative democracy that enslaved people because of their race, stole people’s property and put them in internment camps because their parents came from a certain country, denied people human rights based on gender? Or endorses legislation that permits any citizen to be indefinitely incarcerated at the whim of a select few, without being changed of a crime, without representation and making it a crime to even disclose that a person was so incarcerated – all in the name of “security”? That’s what you call representative democracy? Exactly who are they “representing”???
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    And as far as “get more knowledgeable if you want to be credible” look in the mirror. (You did NOT qualify your statement!):
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    A referendum is a non-binding survey. That’s why it’s called a “Referendum” and cannot, by itself, deny anything. Successful Calif ballot Propositions become law. It’s nothing esoteric – just simple English definitions that most high schoolers learn. BTW – The vast majority of California’s initiatives are put on the ballot BY THE (dysfunctional) LEGISLATURE, not by “the people”.
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    I suspect the Calif initiative process was instituted as a means of last resort in order to protect citizens from a corrupt or recalcitrant legislature. Unfortunately these days, initiatives seem to be used more and more as a first resort – especially by a legislature abrogating their responsibilities and avoiding having names associated with an unpopular bill.
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    Yes, there have been abuses and some abominable measures have been passed – especially those involving budgets, spending and allocation of taxes. But there have been many good measures passed that never would have made it though the legislature. For example: Prop 13 (limiting property taxes to reign in run away county governments), Prop 20 (eliminating gerrymandering in redrawing Congressional Districts) and Prop 35 (anti-human trafficking initiative – although there are parts of it that are onerous, it was meant to protect human rights, not deny them.) Many of the initiatives were unsuccessful attempts to prevent the legislature from “stealing” funds passed for one purpose (education, child care), to use in another (general fund, bond payments, etc). Unsuccessful because our “representatives” found ways to steal funds anyway. Not unlike what the federales have done with social security funds.

  12. TheSkulker

    TheSkulker GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @DavidHuieGreen

    No one is interested in your implication that you have read the constitution.


    After multiple tries you still seem fixated on document length and miss the entire point of my post which was to open a discussion on creating a means to penalize Congress for inaction. Although it would be nice to apply to the current nay-sayers, I said nothing about instant application. I did say that the current mood of the country might be conducive to making some changes. I suggested striking while the iron is hot since this country has such a short memory.


    You also didn’t read my post before commenting on it. I said the state legislatures were one of the avenues for constitutional amendments. All you did was repeat what I said.


    BTW – Do you always contradict yourself or just forget what you post? In your two posts you said:


    [~0030 UTC] “The better idea would be to elect better people.”


    [~0900 UTC] “As to your complaint that other Americans keep electing people you don’t like, that’s part of nondictatorships. Sorry if you object.”


    So which is it? Are you happy with the elected or do you want replacements? Never mind. It doesn’t really matter what we want. With all the endemic gerrymandering it is near impossible to make major changes. [Yes, I do think it is a disease.]


    Actually, all this is just a distraction. Do you or do you not think Congress should be penalized for inaction? Specifically on budgets. The ways and means is part of the discussion. It seems to have worked in California.

  13. DavidHuieGreen

    DavidHuieGreen said, over 1 year ago

    @TheSkulker

    “No one is interested in your implication that you have read the constitution.”
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    Implication?
    No, statement.
    Many short stories are longer, reading it is not supposed to be some Herculean feat.
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    “After multiple tries you still seem fixated on document length”
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    Actually, My point is its brevity. ‘Taint that long.
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    “Although it would be nice to apply to the current nay-sayers, I said nothing about instant application. I did say that the current mood of the country might be conducive to making some changes. I suggested striking while the iron is hot since this country has such a short memory.”
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    Nope, you said nothing about hot irons or short memories.
    And yep, you were talking about punishing this Congress, which will be out of office, or some will after next year. So yes, you were talking near instant application.
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    “You also didn’t read my post before commenting on it. I said the state legislatures were one of the avenues for constitutional amendments. All you did was repeat what I said.”
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    Or I would have if you had said so, no such post exists prior to my post.
    As it was, I was trying to help you by telling you what the Constitution is set up to do to achieve your goal.
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    “BTW – Do you always contradict yourself or just forget what you post?
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    Yes, I do, no I don’t, yes I do, no I …. What was the question?
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    You just think I contradict myself.
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    I believe we would be better off if our members of Congress were better people, that can only be done by vote of the people under our system of government and I am not prepared to overthrow the government for petty things.

    “So which is it? Are you happy with the elected or do you want replacements?”

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    I’m a very happy person even though I often have representatives with whom I disagree. They were picked by the people as a whole and I like that much better than dictatorships.
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    “With all the endemic gerrymandering it is near impossible to make major changes. [Yes, I do think it is a disease.]”
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    Florida amended our state constitution to limit gerrymandering, limited only by federal decrees we MUST have districts which are majority minority makeup. The idea was to NOT carve out districts to favor one party over another. We shall see how well it works in practice, especially with folks insisting it not be racially and ethnically neutral.
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    “ Do you or do you not think Congress should be penalized for inaction? Specifically on budgets.”
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    I do not believe Congress should be penalized. Congress is simply a couple of linked committees, House of Representatives and United State Senate, (in Russian, their name would soviets, meaning committees). You can not hurt a committee. You can do away with it or you can replace its membership, but you can not hurt the committee as a whole.
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    With that in mind, you have two main options: you can overthrow the government, which is to say do away with the committees, or you can convince your fellow citizens of your viewpoint regarding who the members should be. If you can not convince your fellow citizens to change the membership of the committees, House and Senate, you are stuck with the expressed will of your fellow citizens or revolution.
    I do not support revolution at this point, hope you don‘t either.
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    “The ways and means is part of the discussion. It seems to have worked in California. “
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    Me not know, we shall see.

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