B.C. by Mastroianni and Hart


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  1. freeholder1

    freeholder1 said, almost 4 years ago

    yeah, that’s what my college drop out education got me, too. Life as a speed bump. Although it beats sliding down the razorblade of life.

  2. bluskies

    bluskies said, almost 4 years ago

    Yeah. With the right education, you could be a pothole- a government job, with lifetime security.

  3. Jenna Rose

    Jenna Rose said, almost 4 years ago

    Even a college education guarantees no future these days.

  4. Nabuquduriuzhur

    Nabuquduriuzhur said, almost 4 years ago

    re: jenna rose

    Unfortunately true. 19 years of “free trade” got rid of most of our industries. Each industrial job is usually thought to support 4 other jobs. Scientific American estimated that about 100,000 scientists every year graduate, but there’s no work for them.
    When I graduated OIT in the early 1990s, the calculation was that 30% of UofO graduates would get jobs in their field, about 85% of OSU graduates, and 98% of OIT graduates. It was less than 5 years after that, that the jobs just started going away. The Corps of Engineers got rid of 8,000 engineers, for example.

  5. rshive

    rshive said, almost 4 years ago


    Some years back, the American Institute of Chemical Engineers did a survey finding that among undergrad BSs only 55% were doing work relating to their undergrad degree in 5 years after graduation. Everything I’ve seen Indicates that this is roughly the same for many degrees.
    You’d like to think that a degree and education is something that could pretty well guarantee a job. Not necessarily a specific job; but a job of some kind. But apparently that ain’t so. It always amazes me how, when the economic cycle rolls around to the right point, certain companies lay off huge numbers of engineers. As if these kinds of people are developed overnight and will be easy to find once the cycle rolls around to the right point again. It’s not too hard to be cynical about the “free market.” It sometimes wastes people with abandon.

  6. el_flesh

    el_flesh said, almost 4 years ago

    I keep hoping that corporate greed is a feature of the baby boomers and will die off with them.

    But it’s probably human nature.

  7. Vegas Viper

    Vegas Viper said, almost 4 years ago

    Q. Why did the turtle cross the road ?

  8. Fourcrows

    Fourcrows said, almost 4 years ago


    As one of those engineers (telecomm), I’ve seen this as a standard practice now. The CEO’s and VP’s are no longer from the industry, and have no idea what the engineers actually do. They are hired to show a quick profit as soon as possible. The easiest way to do that is to lay off all the engineers, and then hire them back as 1099 contractors. This way, they pay out no benefits, and it is up to us to expand an ever growing list of certifications to be qualified for the job we were just doing.This summer, I spent $6000 to get 2 more certifications to qualify for a job that has nothing to do with the certifications, but the employer required that I have them. We also no longer specialize, but now do jobs that would have required 5 engineers to do before. There is still money in the field, but your school education is pretty useless, since the certifications are all they look at.

  9. Think Mann

    Think Mann said, almost 4 years ago

    College education in the wrong field yields poor prospects. But in the right fields, STEM yields great prospects.

  10. brewwitch

    brewwitch said, almost 4 years ago

    You don’t go to school just to get job training. Should the talented college basketball player give up because he isn’t good enough or talented enough for the NBA?

    So much in our society and life depends on knowledge and appreciation of things beyond earning a paycheck.

  11. rshive

    rshive said, almost 4 years ago


    I would say it’s part of human nature. Every generation says it will do soooo much better than their parents did. “We’re pure and untainted by their nastiness” or whatever. As a leading edge Boomer, I can assure you that we did as well. But my companions in age grouping, when they got to the same levels, did pretty much the same as the guys we so mocked.

  12. Clay

    Clay said, almost 4 years ago

    That’s young Mitch McConnell getting practicing for a career in politics.

  13. rshive

    rshive said, almost 4 years ago


    Much truth in what you say. I always told people ’That’s why they call it education." But at some point, sometimes nobody pays any attention.
    I’d refer you to the comment of @fourcrowsabove. You can do economic analysis, energy conservation, technical writing, and training among many other things—all of which I did during portions of my career. One would think that being able to do multiple things makes one valuable. But the first thing one gets asked by HR people is “We’re you certified in X?” No. “Did your job title change?” No, I did it all under my title as Senior Engineer. “Then we’re sorry. You have no experience in what you did.” Seems like somewhere along the line we’ve removed all sorts of liquidity from the job market. Makes a mockery of the old saw that “anyone who wants a job can have one.” At one point, i really believe that was true; but seems no longer.

  14. exturk

    exturk said, almost 4 years ago

    I graduated ITC in 1961 with a BSEE in electronics, and began work one month later for $78/ month!
    Industry wouldn’t touch anyone that was draft-eligible.
    (Three years in US Army ended with a year at Ankara, Turkey at a “secret” cold war listening post – on a tall hill, near a major highway, distinctive Army buildings, and acres of antennas!)

  15. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 4 years ago

    @ r2varney – Time to ditch the judgemental attitude. If you do the work for 4+ years to get a degree in a field that interests you, then pound the pavement for a few more years only to be told you are unneeded, overqualified, underqualified … and end up driving a cab, I think you are ‘entitled’ to feel disenfranchised.

    Why bother with the education if you can’t get a job in the field? People with graduate degrees can’t get jobs in their fields. People with graduate degrees and experience are forced out of their fields, because no one will pay them a living wage, or any wage. You can start at the bottom in a different field – if you can afford the ‘retraining’.

    Skilled labour is no longer wanted. Unskilled labour may do a crappy job, but it’s way cheaper, and it’s good enough to satisfy management. In engineering as long as you have one guy with a ticket to sign off the work, you’re good to go. The rest of the crew is disposable.

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